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2025 Champion Chase

Marine Nationale with some poor jumps there. Think he coughed his lungs up again when he saw the hill after the last. Nowhere near the standard required for this race.
 
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To my eye Marine National has forgotten how to jump a fence. I don't think he has a prayer in March jumping like that. Maybe just a lack of experience. Quilixios looked much the better 2 mile Chaser.
 
….Marine National out to a general 16-1 CC.
 
Not sure what that noise is but it didn't half look a laboured jump. Next run will be the telling one.
 
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As every season around this time, we'll always give a horse a pipe opener. Yes, next time will tell us indeed.
 
You lot are brutal.....good job you are not owners:glee::glee:
 
Well, I said Marine Nationale was too short when opening up at 4/9. Big drift, and typically I picked the wrong one to take him on with :highly_amused:

Jonbon vs Gaelic vs Energumene it is then!
 
BuckingThe Trend said:
To my eye Marine National has forgotten how to jump a fence. I don't think he has a prayer in March jumping like that. Maybe just a lack of experience. Quilixios looked much the better 2 mile Chaser.
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Yep, Q actually looked the proper 2m chaser to me too.
Jumped well, travelled well and finished strong.
Much rather take 50 for the CC, than 16 for MN, that’s for sure.
 
Carnage at Taunton said:
Yep, Q actually looked the proper 2m chaser to me too.
Jumped well, travelled well and finished strong.
Much rather take 50 for the CC, than 16 for MN, that’s for sure.
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Agree. Coupled with HDB's record with 2m chasers he definitely isn't a 50/1 chance. You'd think he'd need it to cut up like this year but who knows.
 
Carnage at Taunton said:
Yep, Q actually looked the proper 2m chaser to me too.
Jumped well, travelled well and finished strong.
Much rather take 50 for the CC, than 16 for MN, that’s for sure.
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I've watched yesterday's race at Naas a few times now and I just don't see how MARINE NATIONALE gets anywhere near close to winning the QMCC - either experience or just a poor jumper. Or maybe both. Have Cashed Out for a small loss.
 
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Fouroverthrutwo said:
Barry Connell still thinks Marine Nationale is a player in the Champion Chase:

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing...al-marine-nationale-team-remain-upbeat/221740
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So ever the optimist

As his racing manager Ginger bollocks said on twitter for a week straight beforehand, there would be no excuses for him

He hasnt a chance in the race, he couldnt beat Quilixios getting weight with his ideal conditions and Quilixios would be only a small small place chance in the race itself
 
darlojim said:
So ever the optimist

As his racing manager Ginger bollocks said on twitter for a week straight beforehand, there would be no excuses for him

He hasnt a chance in the race, he couldnt beat Quilixios getting weight with his ideal conditions and Quilixios would be only a small small place chance in the race itself
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Completely agree. He’s been given a 11lb beating by a horse whose previous best RPR is 153. I actually thought that was Quilixios’ best run. But even with the most rosiest of specs on, that wasn’t a 155 run by Marine which is so far short of a QMCC. And he looked fit. And he had his conditions.
 
I backed 3 for the champion chase last year. Gentleman De Mee 66/1 e/w, Captain Guiness 16/1 e/w and El Fabiolo in multiple roll ups. I thought 2 of them had no chance but could get a place potentially.

El Fabiolo has it all to prove, Jonbon can't win at Cheltenham and Gaelic Warrior could go Ryanair. The race could set itself up for a repeat of a shock winner this year in a race notorious for producing shock results. If Enurgemene is back to near his best he is the pick of all of them for me. I have backed MN and will dip in again at 16s. He is being aimed at it and so will probably Quilixios. I will have them both in the CC team because its such an unpredictable race
 
Yosser said:
I backed 3 for the champion chase last year. Gentleman De Mee 66/1 e/w, Captain Guiness 16/1 e/w and El Fabiolo in multiple roll ups. I thought 2 of them had no chance but could get a place potentially.

El Fabiolo has it all to prove, Jonbon can't win at Cheltenham and Gaelic Warrior could go Ryanair. The race could set itself up for a repeat of a shock winner this year in a race notorious for producing shock results. If Enurgemene is back to near his best he is the pick of all of them for me. I have backed MN and will dip in again at 16s. He is being aimed at it and so will probably Quilixios. I will have them both in the CC team because its such an unpredictable race
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Jonbon can win at Cheltenham if EF and GW don’t turn up imo, can even if they do turn up,and unless it’s really soft he can beat Energ.
But no harm in having one or two at bigger prices, as you say it can be unpredictable.
 
Yosser said:
I backed 3 for the champion chase last year. Gentleman De Mee 66/1 e/w, Captain Guiness 16/1 e/w and El Fabiolo in multiple roll ups. I thought 2 of them had no chance but could get a place potentially.

El Fabiolo has it all to prove, Jonbon can't win at Cheltenham and Gaelic Warrior could go Ryanair. The race could set itself up for a repeat of a shock winner this year in a race notorious for producing shock results. If Enurgemene is back to near his best he is the pick of all of them for me. I have backed MN and will dip in again at 16s. He is being aimed at it and so will probably Quilixios. I will have them both in the CC team because its such an unpredictable race
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Agree with all of this, the champion chase is a race that always cuts up. There have been loads of favourites who have flopped, last minute injuries, fallers, outsiders going close by jumping well and getting in a good rhythm on the given day.

I think people are often guilty this far out of thinking every race at Cheltenham is going to be a lot better than it actually turns out, but there are just as many poor renewals of the top races as quality ones.

So it think it's a bit crazy to be writing off marine nationale after a disappointing first run in nine months, as if plenty of those ahead of him in the market who have won and placed in champion chases havent put in woeful performances numerous times , although i would have hoped he'd have been pushed out further than 16s. I agree and think the 50/1 about quilixios is a must bet too, yes he was disappointing a few times last season but he's still a young horse, de bromhead trained and was faultless at the weekend. Plus he's being aimed here and his well being is known which is more than you can say for a good few in the market.
 
I know RPR's are just one man's opinion, but Marine Nationale got 140 for his seasonal debut. There's coming on for the run and there's what he'll need to do to even make the start of a QMCC.
 
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