2024 Stayers Hurdle

[Lobos]

Bump

Sir G

:biggrin-new:

 

[Guinness Village]

I think that sometimes things are just staring us in the face. Best of the Irish teahupoo, best of UK Marie’s rock. The potential big improver, GW is going chasing. Can’t see past these two.
wint be backing any has beens, wannabes and frenchies.

 

[Lobos]

IMO Teahupoo not good enough to win a poor Stayers last year and Marie's Rock didn't get home when looking like cruising up at Aintree. Won't be backing those two GV. Next......

 

[FinalFurlong91]

Last years renewal looks shitty and messy from a form perspective.
Trainers and owners will have clocked this for sure.
I'll be amazed if there is not at least one or two or more entries from left field this season.
Mullins has several just on his own.
It's a no go market for me at this stage as the prices do not reflect the true level of competition the horses at the current head of the market might face.
The NRNB market will be of much more interest to me.

Ahoy senor

 

[Cheltenham Novice Chase]

IMO Teahupoo not good enough to win a poor Stayers last year and Marie's Rock didn't get home when looking like cruising up at Aintree. Won't be backing those two GV. Next......

So you wouldn’t factor in Teahupoo’s age and the propensity to improve? That seems counter intuitive.

 

[opatcho]

I'm all for thinking outside the box

But to paraphrase friends

You're so far away from the box, you can't even see the box

The box is a dot to you

PMSL!!
Yeah, I thought this one was a little too far

 

[Quevega]

Vauban - could easily give him the winter off and bring him back for a crack at this, especially if Gaelic has done well over fences, and the race looks winnable and Mullins has little else.

Sir Gerhard - Willie already stated he might end up here if no improvement over fences.

Gaelic Warrior - could go back hurdling if a blip or two over fences or a slight setback.

Impaire et Passe - likely to run and win the hattons grace, if beaten at xmas and dublin by State Man or another over 2 miles and Constitution Hill going well, then the stayers would be an option

State Man - Reverse the above

Sandor Clegane - similar to Gaelic Warrior
Ahoy Senor - ditto
Absolute Notions - ditto
Hermes Allen - ditto
Stay Away Fay - ditto
Affordale Fury - ditto
Three Card Brag -ditto
Flooring Porter -ditto
Iroko - ditto
Corbetts Cross - ditto
Fact to File - ditto
Nick Rockett - ditto
Gala Marceau - If Willie is mob handed in the Mares he may send something he thinks will stay well to here instead
The Nice Guy - If back in training early enough would be most likely race.

Not beyond imagination that circumstances mean some of the above end up in the stayers.
And most of the list would mean the current heads of the market would slip at least a point or two, and a few in there that would go off favourite.

Obviously it's only likely one or two end up competing in the stayers but there's also many others not listed that can also throw their hand in. They are just off the top of my head and all would have some interest and be considered as potential winners of a weak stayers, especially against the favourite who looks ground dependent and when he got his ground against a pensioner he still failed.

Having said that, the current fav could improve again and he could dominate some of the prep races in Ireland if Mullins doesn't compete too much.

 

[BuckingThe Trend]

Bump

Sir G

:biggrin-new:

Both Sir Gerhard and Gaelic Warrior entered over fences at Naas on Sunday. Could both be back in the Stayers by Sunday night. Not going to lie that is what I am hoping for. Pocket talking.

 

[Guinness Village]

So.. Q.. in the “quixall crosset index of improbability”, where would you rate teahupoo and Marie’s rock chances? 10 being no hope and 1 being f..cking no hope.
Asking for a friend:fat::fat:

 

[Lobos]

So you wouldn’t factor in Teahupoo’s age and the propensity to improve? That seems counter intuitive.

Not me. Was the form horse, fav to win , was his 12th run, had his conditions to suit, weak race, so was probably his best (and only?) chance to win. That's just my thoughts of course and they may be bollocks.

 

[Lobos]

Both Sir Gerhard and Gaelic Warrior entered over fences at Naas on Sunday. Could both be back in the Stayers by Sunday night. Not going to lie that is what I am hoping for. Pocket talking.

You may well be right. Stayers is a nightmare ..........but fun ATM.

 

[opatcho]

Teahupoo - 3
Maries Rock - 4

Teahupoo should have won last year, conditions suited. Dont think he'll improve from what we saw. Comes up good ground in March and he'll be a 5/10

Maries Rock, I have a feeling this mare is a little waywood in and around March. Never really looked into Mares in terms of their cycles and whether this is just a myth. But But like Apples Jade when she was a banker for the mares, Maries ran terrible in March. Again, I not saying this was due to some biological changes, its just that she's never been able to get to or run a race at the Fez, and it wouldnt suprise me if it happened again

 

[opatcho]

You may well be right. Stayers is a nightmare ..........but fun ATM.

I think the stayers will become one of the easier races in 4-5 weeks time, we'll see something from the novices or a 6-7 handicapper come through, and it would be fairly obvious given how crap the previous stayers are

Defo a fun year

 

[Lobos]

SDB just wins again at 33's I expect

 

[Guinness Village]

There’d:nightmare: be a SDB bar at Cheltenham :wink-new:if he did

 

[opatcho]

SDB just wins again at 33's I expect

we want 100's!

 

[SeanRock]

Teahupoo got a rotten ride last year from Davy. He had a very poor festival overall, was trying too hard & not hard enough in equal measure. Nothing came off for him he was miles off it. That coupled with his age gives the horse a pass for me personally based on last years run.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Teahupoo go straight from the Hatton’s Grace to the festival this season or maybe they might take in Leopardstown at Christmas if he’s fresh enough after Fairyhouse, but they definitely won’t run at Gowran again, I think it took an edge off him. Gordon seems to be planning lighter campaigns for his open company graded horses. Similar plans mentioned for Gerri Colombe.

 

[SeanRock]

Has there been any update on Blazing Khal? Of all the horses that ran in the Stayers last season, he's the one that interests me most (now that FP goes novice chasing).

He couldn't have had a worse prep in the lead up to the festival but was still travelling best of all until finding sod all up the hill. With a better prep, he could be a factor imo.

I don’t think he stays a genuine end to end gallop in the stayers. He didn’t look like he appreciated the pace at the front end in March anyway. I was bullish about him especially after his Navan prep but think that 2m5f distance is more his bag.

The Albert Bartlett trial he won over C&D in 21 wasn’t run at a true gallop. He’d be of interest to me in a Coral Cup or something like that if staying over hurdles. No doubt C Byrnes has something up his sleeve for him if he can keep him sound this, no better man.

 

[Kevloaf]

IMO Teahupoo not good enough to win a poor Stayers last year and Marie's Rock didn't get home when looking like cruising up at Aintree. Won't be backing those two GV. Next......

I'm so annoyed that this makes sense :applause:

Given I've backed Teahupoo and see Marie's Rock as a massive danger....

I've got no proper case :glee:

 

[TigerRolllllll]

I'm so annoyed that this makes sense :applause:

Given I've backed Teahupoo and see Marie's Rock as a massive danger....

I've got no proper case :glee:

I’d pick up a bit of long odds on Marie’s for Mares on exchange when it’s available…..weak race this year & was run to favour speed horses last year

I’m not sure about her for Stayers & easy to see how she ends up in Mares with a chance