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2024 Stayers Hurdle

opatcho said:
I thin both ran up to their marks
Both are suited to middle distance, and likely to run their best RPR's at this trip
I thought the race didnt have much pace it in, and expected IEP to take advantage... but its a tough slog at fairyhouse, especially when its soft

If the stayers turned into a 2 mile 4 race, i.e. no pace at all for the first 5-6 furlongs, I can make a case for Teahupoo but as it stands, I'm still searching for something.
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FinalFurlong91 said:
In a race that was slowly run he should've been too quick for teahupoo (a horse that got outpaced over 3 miles at punchestown)

Honestly think the owners have wasted a year of the horses career wanting a hurdling campaign

Even if Con Hill got injured don't think he'd beat state man in a champion hurdle
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Yeah I've ran some figs and trying to make sense of it just sounds like making an excuse for IEP as odd as that may sound. Paul still has a double fistful jumping 2out and 2f to go taking a pull still and only gets to work just before the last when Tea is upside then throws the kitchen sink at him was ridden up to then like he was ultra confident.
 
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Outlaw said:
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Yeah I've ran some figs and trying to make sense of it just sounds like making an excuse for IEP as odd as that may sound. Paul still has a double fistful jumping 2out and 2f to go taking a pull still and only gets to work just before the last when Tea is upside then throws the kitchen sink at him was ridden up to then like he was ultra confident.
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Tend to stay clear of them sort of horses, jockey has double hand full, and then asked then appear to find nothing.
Teahupoo will likely look the same over 3 miles.
Is it the trip?... is the horse is just doing too much during the race and end up having little towards the end
Could be physical, a build up of lactic acid which blunts his finish.... never know, but the way he travelled there... does make you wonder as Paul went from having a tank underneath him to having to row on him with a matter of seconds
 
At a guess I would say Teahupoo has run to a 165 RPR which would put IEP on 164 and Ashroe Diamond around 140. Good record fresh and handles soft ground, Teahupoo had favourable conditions so no reason why he hasn't run to a standard level. Suspect both IEP and AD have run marginally above their novice ratings.
 
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Baffles me, have a proper horse in ITP he cant win stayers and no chance in the champyon hurdinal, so why bother, should of been running in the 2.00 today!
 
opatcho said:
Tend to stay clear of them sort of horses, jockey has double hand full, and then asked then appear to find nothing.
Teahupoo will likely look the same over 3 miles.
Is it the trip?... is the horse is just doing too much during the race and end up having little towards the end
Could be physical, a build up of lactic acid which blunts his finish.... never know, but the way he travelled there... does make you wonder as Paul went from having a tank underneath him to having to row on him with a matter of seconds
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Has he found nothing or has he been outstayed?

Is he further away from Ashroe Diamond at the line than when they came in to the straight?

(I've not checked) :indecisiveness:
 
Could also have needed it. Willie's not going to have him peaking in early December, and Teaupoo is a serious rival first time in open company.
 
Kevloaf said:
Has he found nothing or has he been outstayed?

Is he further away from Ashroe Diamond at the line than when they came in to the straight?

(I've not checked) :indecisiveness:
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IEP and Tea where pushed out and put lengths between them and Ashroe down the straight... but it didnt look like that was extended. I doubt Ashroe would have been pushed towards the line...

so... not sure whether that helps answer the question

I just think both of them are middle distance horses. Likely to get outpaced or look sluggish in a CH, and find little (after travelling well) in the stayers... ?
 
I do find it odd that some are saying Teahupoo is a middle distance horse, he was beaten by only a nose by Sire De Berlais despite being given a dreadful ride by Davy last year.

A cut in the ground with Jack Kennedy on board, i'd struggle to see anyone beating him.
 
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luisgarciaisgod said:
I do find it odd that some are saying Teahupoo is a middle distance horse, he was beaten by only a nose by Sire De Berlais despite being given a dreadful ride by Davy last year.

A cut in the ground with Jack Kennedy on board, i'd struggle to see anyone beating him.
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Why isn’t odd to think Teaphuoo’s most optimum distance is 2m4, 2m5f

Teaphuoo best form-line performances to date have been over this trip - beating Honeysuckle, Klassical Dream and now IEP.
Teaphuoo was beaten by a aged horse and DD in the stayers. Klassical Dream was able to reserve the result at punch when they ran over 3 miles.

Teahupoo’s only win over 3 miles was against Summerville boy

If there was a 2m4f grade 1 at the festival, I would have no doubt Teahupoo would be in that over the stayers
 
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Harry Skelton was on this weeks Final Flight Podcast and his antepost tip was West Balboa for anyone having doubts about which race she may run in.
 
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YoungHustler said:
Harry Skelton was on this weeks Final Flight Podcast and his antepost tip was West Balboa for anyone having doubts about which race she may run in.
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She runs in Long Walk next which is best pointer race around for Stayers. If she wins that or goes very close she'll go Stayers. Anything else and she'll surely be re routed to the Mares Hurdle. Nice position to be in.
 
Lobos said:
She runs in Long Walk next which is best pointer race around for Stayers. If she wins that or goes very close she'll go Stayers. Anything else and she'll surely be re routed to the Mares Hurdle. Nice position to be in.
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I disagree about the part if she doesn't go close in the Long Walk. IMO, sounds like as if it's a steady build up to have her ready for one race only in March.
 
YoungHustler said:
I disagree about the part if she doesn't go close in the Long Walk. IMO, sounds like as if it's a steady build up to have her ready for one race only in March.
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I'd be happy with that. You'd think she'd need to show up well though in the Long Walk to be considered a Stayers contender no ?
 
Sounds to me like she'll be turning up in the Mares Hurdle again. Would prefer her out of the way in the Stayers personally!:welcoming:
Get her on a flat track on Good ground over 3m so she can win on the bridal.
 
Quevega said:
https://www.attheraces.com/news/2023/December/06/jury-still-out-regarding-marie's-rock-stamina

Maries rock article suggesting both races at festival possible, depending on what happens up till then.
As many would have thought.
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“My comments (previously) have been it’s very much just the three-mile route, but when the facts change, your opinions are allowed to change as well and I’m not as all-in – nor is Nicky or the team – on the three-mile division being her sole campaign this year. We’ll know more as the season goes on.”



It is mad when you've backed something what you pick out, but having her for the Mares Hurdle and not the Stayers, after reading the article, particularly this.... I think I'm right :boxing:
 
Kevloaf said:
“My comments (previously) have been it’s very much just the three-mile route, but when the facts change, your opinions are allowed to change as well and I’m not as all-in – nor is Nicky or the team – on the three-mile division being her sole campaign this year. We’ll know more as the season goes on.”



It is mad when you've backed something what you pick out, but having her for the Mares Hurdle and not the Stayers, after reading the article, particularly this.... I think I'm right :boxing:
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I did the same :highly_amused:
Pretty sure anyone that did the double you suggested with Dashel the other day will also :loyal:
 
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