2022 Gold Cup

[Saxon Warrior]

Yeah though he didn’t say specifically this year, but he’s that type of horse for a national at some point

Next Destination is 9 rising 10 already, after his time off injured - and rated to get into a Grand National already.

 

[Sprinter Sacre]

One who could end up going well under the radar for this race who I'm a big fan of: Fakir D'oudairies - 66/1

 

[Captain Chris]

Next Destination is 9 rising 10 already, after his time off injured - and rated to get into a Grand National already.

You'd have to think that a half decent Betfair chase run will ruin any national chances. I'd have had him down as an obvious Hennessy horse

 

[Saxon Warrior]

You'd have to think that a half decent Betfair chase run will ruin any national chances. I'd have had him down as an obvious Hennessy horse

Betfair Win or Decent performance = Gold Cup

Betfair bigger defeat = Grand National

 

[Topofthegame2021]

One who could end up going well under the radar for this race who I'm a big fan of: Fakir D'oudairies - 66/1

Shhhhhh keep him quiet and keep the winnings all to ourselves :emmersed:

but yes I agree with you here. A nice price and I’m imagining this is his likely target.

was running a great race in the Punchestown Gold Cup for a long way as a 6YO.

 

[charlie]

Shhhhhh keep him quiet and keep the winnings all to ourselves :emmersed:

but yes I agree with you here. A nice price and I’m imagining this is his likely target.

was running a great race in the Punchestown Gold Cup for a long way as a 6YO.

Haha my response, to the very word :highly_amused:

An Irish trained 6yo with plenty of Cheltenham experience that can run to the low 160's at that age over 3m at the second time of asking should not be 66/1 IMO. If he jumped fluently he'd be half that price and some IMO, but his jumping is definitely his weakness, but I'm sure they have been working on it.

 

[Native River]

Well there was me hoping I wouldn't have to rush to back Fakir but seems I'm late to join the queue for his fan club!

Does seem a big price when you take into account his festival form, granted he hasn't won one there yet but he's done all he can other then that. Was hoping to see any indications for Joseph's yard to see where he starts his season off but I guess their aren't too many 3m options in Ireland so would have to be Down Royal at end of month but there is a tendancy for him to come out in November so maybe the Durkan first then on to Savills for a third crack at 3m, especially as the Punches gold cup can probably be dismissed considering he had that tough Ryanair then Aintree so soon after.

 

[Sprinter Sacre]

Minella Indo, Galvin, Frodon, Samcro, Delta Work and Notebook have been entered in the 3m Ladbrokes Champion Steeplechase at Down Royal on October 30th.

 

[MadeinJapan]

Faugheen_Machine put up Imperial Aura for this a couple of months ago I think & I agreed with what he said then so backed at 50s, still same price & not sure if any targets have been mentioned yet? Pulled up in last year’s Ryanair after being run off his feet & bleeding. Cheltenham form apart from that reads 122 (one of which was over 3m) & runs in colours of people who know how to win this, seems a step up in trip would suit and is an 8yo so potential to improve again for it. Main negative being not Irish trained.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Faugheen_Machine put up Imperial Aura for this a couple of months ago I think & I agreed with what he said then so backed at 50s, still same price & not sure if any targets have been mentioned yet? Pulled up in last year’s Ryanair after being run off his feet & bleeding. Cheltenham form apart from that reads 122 (one of which was over 3m) & runs in colours of people who know how to win this, seems a step up in trip would suit and is an 8yo so potential to improve again for it. Main negative being not Irish trained.

We should know if he's a candidate soon enough as they are planning on going to the Charlie Hall. He needs to get his career back in track but last two runs can be excused imo.

 

[Zachx02]

Imperial Aura going to the betfair chase according to Kim Bailey

 

[MadeinJapan]

Imperial Aura going to the betfair chase according to Kim Bailey

The same race won in 2010 by Imperial Commander before following up in the Gold Cup :eagerness:

 

[Quevega]

The same race won in 2010 by Imperial Commander before following up in the Gold Cup :eagerness:

He had won the Ryanair though ! Not PU :surprise:

Funnily enough having just been talking about Allaho, this race would suit him being tested again at 3m perfectly.
It's a rhythm track, and you can bowl along if you want.
If he were to win then a crack at the King George would fit in nicely also.
However, Willie clearly does not like sending them to this race for whatever reasons. So won't happen.

 

[MadeinJapan]

He had won the Ryanair though ! Not PU :surprise:

Funnily enough having just been talking about Allaho, this race would suit him being tested again at 3m perfectly.
It's a rhythm track, and you can bowl along if you want.
If he were to win then a crack at the King George would fit in nicely also.
However, Willie clearly does not like sending them to this race for whatever reasons. So won't happen.

True - he’s got it to prove & we’ll find out if he’s good enough to have a serious shout in March over the coming months… guess that’s why he’s still available at 50s with the PU on his resume.

 

[Kevloaf]

Envoi Allen wins this head in chest, no?

 

[Spectre]

A really good chance, but stamina and wellbeing to prove I'd say Kev. That said his stamina may not get thoroughly tested until the Gold Cup.

 

[Lobos]

Envoi Allen wins this head in chest, no?

His first run back will be like waking up Xmas morning , seeing your present under the tree and slowly opening it up hoping that what's inside is what you've been waiting for. Id love it if he could come back all guns blazing and win the big one.

 

[Hardy Eustace]

His first run back will be like waking up Xmas morning , seeing your present under the tree and slowly opening it up hoping that what's inside is what you've been waiting for. Id love it if he could come back all guns blazing and win the big one.

You big tart :biggrin-new:

Couldnt agree more! :cheerful:

 

[That Horse]

Was reading the RP analysis of Ontheropes' win at Limerick earlier today and it mentioned emulating Total Recall by going on to the Hennessy/Ladbroke.

It also stated Ontheropes was starting off from a higher base. Having read through Total Recall's race history, it got me thinking, are we looking at Willie's gold cup horse in Ontheropes?

Yes, it'd mean Cheveley would be overloading the GC potentially but they're about winning the big ones before bowing out in the next few years if they are winding down their involvement in NH racing.

I re-read the entry in Jumpers to follow, doesn't say much; 2nd season novice, good second behind Monkfish.

Obviously needs to take more steps forward but thought I would think it out loud o​​​n this thread and see what others thought.

Not backed him for anything yet, the Willie Mullins trends are steering me away from the NH chase and he's not priced up yet for the GC.

Thoughts?

 

[Saxon Warrior]

Was reading the RP analysis of Ontheropes' win at Limerick earlier today and it mentioned emulating Total Recall by going on to the Hennessy/Ladbroke.

It also stated Ontheropes was starting off from a higher base. Having read through Total Recall's race history, it got me thinking, are we looking at Willie's gold cup horse in Ontheropes?

Yes, it'd mean Cheveley would be overloading the GC potentially but they're about winning the big ones before bowing out in the next few years if they are winding down their involvement in NH racing.

I re-read the entry in Jumpers to follow, doesn't say much; 2nd season novice, good second behind Monkfish.

Obviously needs to take more steps forward but thought I would think it out loud o​​​n this thread and see what others thought.

Not backed him for anything yet, the Willie Mullins trends are steering me away from the NH chase and he's not priced up yet for the GC.

Thoughts?

I think he will go to the Ladbrokes/Hennessy.

Horses that win or place in that are usually Ultima and Grand National horses, these days.