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2016 Supreme Novices

paz247 said:
I've only seen the 100/1 pic, he said he put it on when Min was a yearling?
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I guess we will just have to believe it and to wish him luck.:encouragement: Cos tbh I also need Min to win as well. :)
 
The yearling story makes no sense


MIN does not have many letters in his name and it did not take many Euros to buy him from France either as Willie Mullins suggested on Sunday that the hot favourite for the Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle has turned out to be one of the biggest bargains of his career.

Guy Petit initially purchased Min in November 2013 on behalf of trainer Yannick Fouin for just €6,000 and, despite two rather tame efforts at Auteuil, Mullins' French experts Pierre Boulard and Harold Kirk decided it was worth taking a chance on the Walk In The Park gelding.

"Min was not overly expensive at all," said Mullins about the Rich and Susannah Ricci-owned five-year-old who was on Sunday cut to a general 6-4 (from 7-4) after bookmakers reported sustained support for him to win the opening race at the Cheltenham Festival after Saturday's sizzling success at Punchestown.

Clue in the pedigree

"If you look at his form in France, he was beaten quite a distance in his two runs, so he didn't have a huge price tag. The reason we were so interested in him at the time was because he was by Walk In The Park, who was the same sire as Douvan.

"At the time we thought quite a bit of Douvan, even though it was very early in his career, so we thought it might be worth taking a chance on Min and that is what we did.

"Yannick Fouin did recommend him to us and Harold and Pierre both liked him. But he wasn't overly expensive at all. It is not always about spending the most money and Min proves that."

Mullins said that Min is unlikely to run again before the Cheltenham Festival after emerging from his impressive win in the Sky Bet Moscow Flyer Novice Hurdle in good shape."I would say it's likely Min will head straight there now. He was fine this morning," Mullins added.
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loveracing said:
Haha, agree Mayo.

That means he must have got the heads up before WM and co did?
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To be fair is Twitter not attention seekers central meeting place ?
Even if it's true I will never understand why people feel the need to tell the world their business.
But good luck to anyone with some decent (genuine) vouchers
 
Aftertiming isnt new ;).

Meanwhile

geoff lester ‏@geofflester 13h13 hours ago
Vibes suggest that Barry Geraghty has recommended owner JP McManus run Yanworth in Neptune rather than Supreme at Cheltenham Festival. :confused:
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and Ruby

“It was a good performance on testing ground. He jumped super, took a fair hold, but I suppose in heavy ground you are trying to slow a horse down to get home,” Walsh said.


“He did jump really well and probably travelled too well, but he quickened up really well from the second last, pinged the last and won comfortably.

“If he was to be a Supreme Novices’ horse, he was going to have to win and win the way he did.

“He was very good but he’s probably as short as he is owing to the reputation of connections in the last couple of years.

“Is there much value in that? I wouldn’t think so.”

Min is not the only Mullins’ hope in the Supreme and Walsh expects the picture to become clearer after the Deloitte Novice Hurdle at Leopardstown on February 6.

“Yorkhill has only had two runs, he might have another run. Bellshill has had three so he probably doesn’t have to run again, but Willie also has the likes of Petit Mouchoir,” he said.

“We have plenty of horses there and I imagine a couple will run in the Deloitte in Leopardstown and we’ll know a lot more after that.”
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Donn


Tombstone

Tombstone did really well to finish second to Long Dog in the Grade 1 Paddy Power Future Champions Novice Hurdle at Leopardstown on Sunday. He was settled just behind the front rank in fourth place through the early stages of the race by Bryan Cooper, but the pace was not strong. Ruby Walsh dictated an ordinary pace on Long Dog, with the result that the field were well bunched running down the back straight and as they ran towards the second last flight. Tombstone raced a little keenly, and that was not ideal. Just sixth of the nine runners as they approached the second last, he jumped into the back of Woodland Opera a little at that obstacle, and then got hampered in traffic a little as they rounded the home turn, with the result that he was just fifth, about four lengths behind Long Dog as they leader kicked for home. It was always going to be difficult for any horse to catch a high-class horse like Long Dog as he quickened from the front off a sedate pace, and Tombstone didn’t, but he made a valiant attempt. He made ground into second place as they rose to the final flight, just over two lengths behind the leader. He was a little slower than Long Dog over the last, but he closed all the way to the line to go down by just three parts of a length in the end.

This was a hot race. Eight of the 10 runners had won on their previous runs, and all 10 had and have significant potential.

Tombstone remains an exciting young hurdler. Third in a maiden hurdle at Wexford on his racecourse debut in November last season, he won a bumper at Naas in January on what proved to be his final run last season. Still a novice then this term, he started off by winning a bumper easily at Down Royal in October, and he followed up by landing his maiden hurdle at Fairyhouse in November, beating the talented Pylonthepressure fairly easily, the pair of them clear. He should continue to progress, and he will be of interest now back in another top novices’ hurdle. The Deloitte Hurdle back at Leopardstown in February would be a good next step for him now.

27th December 2015
 
I remember last year coming into this race douvan was well fancied but in relation to the market his superiority wasn't reflected in the price and eventually went of a generous 5/2 or 2/1 in places, mainly because beforehand hand his stable mate shaneshill was all the rave at an much more inflated price of 9/1 but still 3rd favourite and ended up a 4 length 2nd, I'm wondering if we could be looking at same scenario this year with min the incredibly short price 5/4 and his stable mate yorkhill currently sitting 3rd fav in the market at 8/1, for wise they've both had two runs and reached the same level of form, they'll both be having their 3rd run if the season if not coming out again before the festival whereas altior sitting 2nd in the market will be having his 5th so surely more improvement to come from the mullins pair, i'm not saying yorkhill will beat min but with min as short as he is i think my 1st bet of the festival could be a forecast for min and yorkihill
 
I got burnt some years ago smashing into Dunguib at a short price and vowed never to do it again, the clever punter would be backing the likes of Yorkhill and Tombstone on the place market for a bigger return than Min would pay for the win.
No question for me Min has a false price given the talent he will face, it wouldn't surprise me if he eventually kicked off at a Douvan type price of 2s or thereabouts and he can't possibly go off 5/4 or shorter to my mind...
 
I'm off the same opinion that he will drift in the market come the day, however it all depends on the occasional punters at the end of ten day, those who just come out for the festivals and big races, they all wouldn't have had a punt since last year, they'll remember the colours of douvan, the jockey, the owner, the fact it's favourite and the fact douvan won them all money last time so without looking at form or anything else that will just be their bet, and rightly so in some cases, but i feel that may prevent min drifting too much to get real value out of him, so far he's done what he's needed to but I'm waiting too see if the form gets any real boosts before ploughing into him and having him as the 1st leg of many doubles and multiples all for them to just crashing down at the 1st race!!
 
gjt - I think the drift will come a few weeks before the race when the main challengers have demonstrated their talents and the market re-adjusts.
The occasional punter can probably influence the market more this year than previously with their Mullins/Ruby yankees and accas but I still see Min being a bigger price on the day
 
Bitchy...whats your take on Min now..Gurteen sluiced up today..does that give the form a boost or not...
 
Min needs to settle or he will win feck all.
 
On the other hand if Min dosent settle and Ruby lets him rip on whats gonna catch him....
 
Mullins horses seem to be able to get away with a bit of keenness and not live their races behind. UDS did it, Min does it and Douvan took Patrick along at Christmas.
 
Sorry its been a while gents but I'm back.

Does anyone think that Bachasson represents a bit of each way value on Good ground, Same sire as Vroum Vroum Mag?

I think 25/1 is a decent price........
 
Aldie1988 said:
Sorry its been a while gents but I'm back.

Does anyone think that Bachasson represents a bit of each way value on Good ground, Same sire as Vroum Vroum Mag?

I think 25/1 is a decent price........
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Last run was flat but looked a good horse during the summer. He looks a 2 miler to me but other targets possible ?
 
That was my thought exactly OV, will be an interesting one, he hated the mud LTO and petered out with a furlong and a half to go over 2 miles. He has an entry in the Deloitte but probably wont be seen until better ground comes now
 
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