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J.L.T Novices Chase 2019

It's a very rough figure but most good novice chasers would only want 6 or 7 runs max in a season. Every horse has different physical and mental reserves and we aren't privy to how much he used yesterday. Sometimes horses are sent for a prep run but Tizzard always used to have a reputation for being fairly hard on the gallops and having them pretty straight first time so, unless Joe has mellowed his old man a little, I'd suggest that VDF used up one of his runs.
No damage done if he turns out to be one of those that need to be out regularly.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if they run him next weekend. That will have taken next to nothing out of him imo.

Did anyone else think it was a soft unseat by Scu? If that was Bryan Cooper in the plate then i think pundits would have been critical.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
It wouldn't surprise me if they run him next weekend. That will have taken next to nothing out of him imo.

Did anyone else think it was a soft unseat by Scu? If that was Bryan Cooper in the plate then i think pundits would have been critical.
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Agree about the unseat, balance was pretty poor tbf! Cooper would have beeen slated for sure.

Bit gutted we didn't see what VDF had, but there will be plenty more chances, and I'd rather the mistakes early on in the season so they have a chance of being rectified. It's not as if the fences before the unseat caused him any issues, in fact the fence prior to the unseat he absolutely flew over.
 
Patrick, Willie and Ruby have all at different stages asaid Getabird has speed and stamina. Is this the OBVIOUS race?

Ruby:
Referring to the strapping Getabird, a horse bred to be a chaser, he explains: “What his trip will be over fences, I don’t know. He’s an ex-bumper horse so he could be open to go up in trip, but he has pace so he’s not pigeon-hold into going one department. He has a lot of ability and he’s an exciting one to have.”

I won't go trawling through the internet but as a bumper horse I remember them saying he was quick 'as well'

and everyone must remember Patrick AND Willie saying how he surprised them and he made himself a Supreme contender based on his 9L victory over Mengli Khan.

Mullins has a ridiculously good JLT record, with Sir Des Champs, (Djakadam Faller), then Vautour (had run in the Supreme), Black Hercules and Yorkhill.

Fair to say there isn't a pattern in terms of which novice hurdle any of them went for as all 3 are represented but Getabird could well become a standout in this race from quite a way out.

10/1 (4/1 in places) - Samcro - Not coming here
12/1 - Black Op - A fair price for a fair fav but may go up in trip?
12/1 - Getabird (not quoted by PP or BFSB)
16/1 - Lostintranslation
16/1 - Next Destination - The Ballymore at Cheltenham did nothing if not PROVE he should have run over further (RSA surely!)
16/1 - Summerville Boy - Hurdling
16/1 - Faugheen - :very_drunk:
16/1 - Messire Des Obeaux
20/1 - bar


Who is the Mullins runner going to be? 12/1 Getabird isn't something I can back now, but he could easily end up a 6/4 fav here
 
I think the JLT looks the most open of the novice chases as its hard to nail many down that will run in this. I've already backed Vinndication and another I like at a decent price is Diese Des Biefes. I can only see him priced up at 33-1 with 365 but Henderson has said he's going chasing and his handicap form from last season is Rock solid.
 
Kevloaf said:
Who is the Mullins runner going to be? 12/1 Getabird isn't something I can back now, but he could easily end up a 6/4 fav here
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Sorry to be boring, but not many other suggestions coming through, so personally I think Voix Du Reve will be the Mullins horse in this, as I have said previously.

I know he's not quite as 'sexy' as the others mentioned but ultimately could come on a bundle for going over fences and certainly looked like he took to them as well as anything on his chase debut.

He's not devoid of some level of Chletenham form and I am happy to forgive his run at this years festival as quite frankly his whole campaign was a mess, but that previous festival form when he would have at least pushed Diego Du Charmil close if not beat him, before falling, is not form to take lightly.

He'll certainly be overpriced currently and won't be 25/1 come the day of the festival should he make it.

There is also some confidence behind the breeding side of it too to suggest chasing will be a positive step for him, the sire, Voix Du Nord, also sired Vroum Vroum Mag (unbeaten over fences), Taquin Du Seuil (won this race as a novice chaser), Vibrato Valtat (Quirky, but made a fair novice chaser, winning some weakish Grade 1 & 2 races, albeit not at the festival) & Vaniteux (another who was a fairly consistent novice chaser, winning and placing in Graded races, as well as looking like finishing 2nd to Douvan in the Arkle at the festival before falling). Unfortunately there is not a whole heap on the Dams side to be as confident about, and obviously it goes without saying that Voix Du Nord has also had his fair share of poor progeny too, however Voix Du Reve has shown better form over hurdles than the majority of them already so I have no doubt he has a little class about him and it will show through over fences.
 
I may be barking up the wrong tree, it happens a LOT, but I asked a friend to request Cracking Smart & Voix Du Reve be added to their sportsbook markets for this race, but they said they were unable to offer a price at this moment in time, yet were happy enough to add Cracking Smart to the exchange market for the race :confused:

No one else find this strange?
 
Kevloaf said:
Patrick, Willie and Ruby have all at different stages asaid Getabird has speed and stamina. Is this the OBVIOUS race?

Ruby:
Referring to the strapping Getabird, a horse bred to be a chaser, he explains: “What his trip will be over fences, I don’t know. He’s an ex-bumper horse so he could be open to go up in trip, but he has pace so he’s not pigeon-hold into going one department. He has a lot of ability and he’s an exciting one to have.”

I won't go trawling through the internet but as a bumper horse I remember them saying he was quick 'as well'

and everyone must remember Patrick AND Willie saying how he surprised them and he made himself a Supreme contender based on his 9L victory over Mengli Khan.

Mullins has a ridiculously good JLT record, with Sir Des Champs, (Djakadam Faller), then Vautour (had run in the Supreme), Black Hercules and Yorkhill.

Fair to say there isn't a pattern in terms of which novice hurdle any of them went for as all 3 are represented but Getabird could well become a standout in this race from quite a way out.

10/1 (4/1 in places) - Samcro - Not coming here
12/1 - Black Op - A fair price for a fair fav but may go up in trip?
12/1 - Getabird (not quoted by PP or BFSB)
16/1 - Lostintranslation
16/1 - Next Destination - The Ballymore at Cheltenham did nothing if not PROVE he should have run over further (RSA surely!)
16/1 - Summerville Boy - Hurdling
16/1 - Faugheen - :very_drunk:
16/1 - Messire Des Obeaux
20/1 - bar


Who is the Mullins runner going to be? 12/1 Getabird isn't something I can back now, but he could easily end up a 6/4 fav here
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If Bapaume goes chasing (which I believe is speculative at this stage) then 20/1 would interest me.
 
charlie said:
If Bapaume goes chasing (which I believe is speculative at this stage) then 20/1 would interest me.
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Could be a cracking shout, completely forgot about Bapaume (somehow)!
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Could be a cracking shout, completely forgot about Bapaume (somehow)!
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Stays over hurdles. 3m.. I can't really knock the decision as there's huge pots at auteuil for him again.
 
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Scooby91 said:
Theres an obvious one that I'm suorised no-one has mentioned yet
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Really?

Priced up? As the ones I can see have been mentioned, maybe not so much in this thread, mind.

Feel free to share ;):highly_amused:
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Really?

Priced up? As the ones I can see have been mentioned, maybe not so much in this thread, mind.

Feel free to share ;):highly_amused:
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Coquin mans I added him to the any race market of which he's 18/1. Haven't backed him as of yet . As I have a sneaky suspicion he had a physical issue after punchestown. As his run at auteuil where conditions were right up his street was awful.
 
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Scooby91 said:
Coquin mans I added him to the any race market of which he's 18/1. Haven't backed him as of yet . As I have a sneaky suspicion he had a physical issue after punchestown. As his run at auteuil where conditions were right up his street was awful.
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Like the 'any race' angle, unsure if this would be the race for him, may need a little bit further? However his best win did come over this trip when hurdling, so clearly not a hindrance to him.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Like the 'any race' angle, unsure if this would be the race for him, may need a little bit further? However his best win did come over this trip when hurdling, so clearly not a hindrance to him.
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I think its his trip personally, but He's not one for me. However he could be one iv missed and look back on with regret later in the season.
 
Scooby91 said:
Theres an obvious one that I'm suorised no-one has mentioned yet but his rating is over inflated.
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Scooby91 said:
Coquin mans I added him to the any race market of which he's 18/1. Haven't backed him as of yet . As I have a sneaky suspicion he had a physical issue after punchestown. As his run at auteuil where conditions were right up his street was awful.
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Below the top grade in my opinion. Best chance would be a handicap.

Grade 2 level for him is a fair assessment at this stage would you agree?
 
Kevloaf said:
Below the top grade in my opinion. Best chance would be a handicap.

Grade 2 level for him is a fair assessment at this stage would you agree?
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I like Coquin Mans but that is how I’d describe him to a tee. With a 158 rating over hurdles I don’t think they could get him to a workable mark for handicaps

Can pick up pots in Ireland without having to face the big guns. Also seems to be a winter horse, not sure he’s ever raced in anything with the word good in it.
 
Don’t know about everybody else but to me this is the most confusing of all the festival races to get a handle on

In everyone’s opinion what do we think On the day will be the first 4/5 in the market that will end up in this race and not an Arkle or RSA
 
Jimmy MacJambo said:
Don’t know about everybody else but to me this is the most confusing of all the festival races to get a handle on

In everyone’s opinion what do we think On the day will be the first 4/5 in the market that will end up in this race and not an Arkle or RSA
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Nothing to back this up but i think Vision Des Flos will be heading here with Pingshou going to the arkle
 
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