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Martin Pipe 2018

Leman14 said:
Folski - being a relative novice to this myself (especially the Handicap side of things) - is there anything that makes you think he will go here rather than the Coral Cup?

Entered for both and both over the same distance (give or take)
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As I mentioned last night Elliott is very much a creature of habit and used this race as a stepping stone for Champagne Classic before winning the Martin Pipe last year. I though Blow By Blow probably needed to win to get into the race today for sure.

As why I think he will go Martin Pipe over Coral Cup, Elliott tends to send his novices to the MP see Champagne Classic, Run For Dave, Squouateur & Jet Stream Jack in recent years. Where as his Coral Cup horses tend to be second season hurdlers and have that bit more experience see Tombstone, Diamond King, Bayan, Tagliatelle.

Elliott makes no secret that he targets this race as he used to work for Martin Pipe. While the owners obviously do as well having won with Sir Des Champs, Don Poli and the aforementioned Champagne Classic.
 
SeanRock said:
Would Rachel qualify to ride him in the Martin Pipe Folski?
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She was giving out last year because she was 27 and too old to as you have to be 26 or younger not sure if this has been changed.
 
Folski said:
As I mentioned last night Elliott is very much a creature of habit and used this race as a stepping stone for Champagne Classic before winning the Martin Pipe last year. I though Blow By Blow probably needed to win to get into the race today for sure.

As why I think he will go Martin Pipe over Coral Cup, Elliott tends to send his novices to the MP see Champagne Classic, Run For Dave, Squouateur & Jet Stream Jack in recent years. Where as his Coral Cup horses tend to be second season hurdlers and have that bit more experience see Tombstone, Diamond King, Bayan, Tagliatelle.

Elliott makes no secret that he targets this race as he used to work for Martin Pipe. While the owners obviously do as well having won with Sir Des Champs, Don Poli and the aforementioned Champagne Classic.
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Thanks Folski - that was the perfectly well-thought-out response I needed!
 
Any one heard anything about Willies Sandsend, he's got a nice looking profile for a race like this.
 
billymag said:
Any one heard anything about Willies Sandsend, he's got a nice looking profile for a race like this.
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I like him for the County. 143 in Ireland not sure he gets into this.
 
Kevloaf said:
Gordon Elliott has won the last two running of the 13:50 W.T. O'Grady Memorial Irish EBF Novice Hurdle today....

The Storyteller (who was fav for the Martin Pipe before getting ruled out) and Westend Star - who was beaten at the festival.

Dortmund Park has a different profile, but is he one that might end up there? On his French bumper form he has oodles of ability as has been highlighted on the forum.... and Elliott would want to win the Pipe race I'd imagine... I might request a price?
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Kevloaf said:
I am pretty annoyed I didn't back Dortmund Park each way at 12/1 - I put it in my betslip and then didn't do anything with it.

Now they respond and give a quote of 10/1 :grumpy:
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Dortmund Park is now available at 16/1 NRNB. I highlighted him originally the morning he won (without backing him, doh!) but it was because The Storyteller won it and was fav for the Martin Pipe before getting injured...and the year before that the winner for Elliott also ran in the Martin Pipe...(didn't do anything though).

I assumed he'd be going for the Albert Bartlett and probably still will, but thought itw as interesting to read Elliott mention this as a possible target.

"Dortmund Park -
He’s got a lot of entries and he’s had one of those famous wind operations. What is the rule with the Irish going over to England? Ah, you have to declare them. He's in the Martin Pipe, Albert Bartlett, it will be one or the other."

16/1 NRNB? Now he clearly isn't ground dependant as he's won on good in France and in Soft over here.... BUT if he improves back on Good ground.... he clearly has a lot of ability.... and could end up being a bit of a steamer in the market?

Gigginstown have a decent win/place record too in the last few years in this race (which isn't particularly relevant but certainly not a negative!)

I'm going to add him 16/1 NRNB with Slybet now and hope for a nice mark (currently 141 Irish mark).... on the proviso if he doesn't get a decent/winnable mark, he'd go for the Albert Bartlett anyway!
 
Kevloaf said:
Dortmund Park is now available at 16/1 NRNB. I highlighted him originally the morning he won (without backing him, doh!) but it was because The Storyteller won it and was fav for the Martin Pipe before getting injured...and the year before that the winner for Elliott also ran in the Martin Pipe...(didn't do anything though).

I assumed he'd be going for the Albert Bartlett and probably still will, but thought itw as interesting to read Elliott mention this as a possible target.

"Dortmund Park -
He’s got a lot of entries and he’s had one of those famous wind operations. What is the rule with the Irish going over to England? Ah, you have to declare them. He's in the Martin Pipe, Albert Bartlett, it will be one or the other."

16/1 NRNB? Now he clearly isn't ground dependant as he's won on good in France and in Soft over here.... BUT if he improves back on Good ground.... he clearly has a lot of ability.... and could end up being a bit of a steamer in the market?

Gigginstown have a decent win/place record too in the last few years in this race (which isn't particularly relevant but certainly not a negative!)

I'm going to add him 16/1 NRNB with Slybet now and hope for a nice mark (currently 141 Irish mark).... on the proviso if he doesn't get a decent/winnable mark, he'd go for the Albert Bartlett anyway!
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Anything Elliott sends to this has to be respected he had two in the first three last year despite The Storyteller getting injured. He’s openly said how much winning it means to him given his history with the Pipes.

Personally I’m on Blow By Blow. If he can recapture his bumper form he’ll run his race.
 
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Been a little nibble for Mr Big Shot in this. Nothing wrong so far but presumably the stats for seasonal debutants at the Festival are pretty dreadful and that's before you take into account the trainer having a very poor season?
 
Whiskey Sour has the perfect mark for this, and one Im keen to back, but cant help but feel 2m is his trip.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Whiskey Sour has the perfect mark for this, and one Im keen to back, but cant help but feel 2m is his trip.
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I'd say the step up in trip would be ideal, he won on the flat over 2m 1f at the Galway festival last year, and the only way he won a 2m hurdle this season was banking on 2 horses falling at the last, other than that he is readily held over 2m and the 2m 4f trip IMO will suit him.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Whiskey Sour has the perfect mark for this, and one Im keen to back, but cant help but feel 2m is his trip.
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Yes that'd be a big concern for me CCM. This race invariably goes to a staying type and I haven't seen anything to suggest that's what Whiskey Sour is.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I'd say the step up in trip would be ideal, he won on the flat over 2m 1f at the Galway festival last year, and the only way he won a 2m hurdle this season was banking on 2 horses falling at the last, other than that he is readily held over 2m and the 2m 4f trip IMO will suit him.
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Yes fair points CoD. Just wish he had some form in the book over more than the minimum trip. He, more than most others, looks a horse who is going to massively appreciate the spring ground.
 
Viking Flagship said:
Yes that'd be a big concern for me CCM. This race invariably goes to a staying type and I haven't seen anything to suggest that's what Whiskey Sour is.
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Hard to see where else they can go though VF wouldn't you say? He certainly doesn't look up to the Supreme or the Ballymore? And it seems a shame to waste the mark he has?
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Hard to see where else they can go though VF wouldn't you say? He certainly doesn't look up to the Supreme or the Ballymore? And it seems a shame to waste the mark he has?
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Yes very true, can definitely see them going here, but wouldn't be one I'd be backing. Although it's a good point by COD that he won over 2m1 on the flat which suggests he'll need a trip over hurdles. I just feel this race is for the proper 3m national hunt types (hence why giggi do so well in it).
 
Viking Flagship said:
Yes very true, can definitely see them going here, but wouldn't be one I'd be backing. Although it's a good point by COD that he won over 2m1 on the flat which suggests he'll need a trip over hurdles. I just feel this race is for the proper 3m national hunt types (hence why giggi do so well in it).
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I agree. Really want to back the horse but keep stopping myself from doing so in this race for the same reason. He's very closely related to Our Conor.
 
Have taken a bit of the 20/1 on offer with Hills. Would kick myself if I didnt. Worth the difference over 12/1 NRNB
 
Ted Walsh mentioned WS as a galway hurdle horse at Christmas
 
Folski said:
Ted Walsh mentioned WS as a galway hurdle horse at Christmas
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Any horse that wins there twice in a week must like the place Folski! But surely they can have some fun with him at the spring festivals before putting him away and freshening him up for the summer?
 
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