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Ryanair Chase 2018

I feel sorry for speredeks connections. He was in good form at a much lower level so
Took a chance up in grade, Brain power fell. No horses in form behind and he gets put up 17 pounds from 137 to 154 for finishing behind un de sceaux.

Pulled up here in a proper race. And now left out in the wilderness with no where to go with a horse that is now horrendously handicapped.
All for showing a bit of ambition and to try and steal some prize money in a poorly represented race.
 
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I feel sorry for speredeks connections. He was in good form at a much lower level so
Took a chance up in grade, Brain power fell. No horses in form behind and he gets put up 17 pounds from 137 to 154 for finishing behind un de sceaux.

Pulled up here in a proper race. And now left out in the wilderness with no where to go with a horse that is now horrendously handicapped.
All for showing a bit of ambition and to try and steal some prize money in a poorly represented race.

A topic for the summer :encouragement:
 
Thinking about Top Notch, who before yesterday I was quite happy to be sat on at a very solid each way poke. Can't really make my mind up so will think out loud...

Ground
Top Notch doesn't seem ground dependant... has had wins on Heavy, Soft, Good to Soft but never won on Good ground in 3 attempts, so I'd be reluctant to say he'll IMPROVE for the likely festival ground. You could argue though his 2nd in the JLT on 'Good' behind Yorkhill was better form than some of his wins. I'd be concerned he hasn't won on good though.
Waiting Paitently and Cue Card are opposite ends of their careers but both appreciate cut in the ground. WP won't run on anything but soft now and Cue Card has very strong evidence to say that he now needs it to be soft for him to perform to his highest achievable level. Frodon also has his best form on soft ground and finished ahead of Top Notch yesterday...
I want to be sure the good-to-soft ground will reverse those placings, but I believe that'd be more to do with Frodon not acting on better ground than Top Notch improving for it.

Cheltenham
4 times at Cheltenham, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 2nd
On first glance that isn't great ... with no wins, the two seconds are a neck to Peace and Co in the Triumph 2015 and a closing 1L behind Yorkhill in that JLT (will come back to that). The 5th was in the CHampion Hurdle beaten 9.75L behind Annie Power which is a creditable run as a 5 y/o without being really worth anything. The other 5th was in the Relkeel in heavy ground beaten 21L.
I think it would be foolish to say he doesn't act around Cheltenham, because two 2nds in Group 1 races is nothing to be sniffed at... what I would say though, is that it is not a positive for him either... I have watched all 4 races back and you can't say he relishes the hill.

That JLT form
Will go straight on to it as it has popped in to my head, and just thinking out loud, but are we MASSIVELY over rating that JLT from last year?
1st - Yorkhill - 3 runs since, beaten a neck by Road to Respect (Who was a handicap winner at the time), then flopped 59L at Christmas and 81L last time out. As much as everybody likes Yorkhill and thinks he is talented, that has NOT been proven since he won this JLT?
3rd - Disko - I remember when he won the FLogas taking a big price for the JLT instantly and being very bullish about his front running chances of placing. I think Disko got a very strange ride where they didn't make the most of his CLEAR stamina advantage and I'd be happy to say this 3rd was not Disko's best run... he stepped up to 3m and won at Punchestown and his only run this season over 2m3f looks good on paper still (beating BAllyoisin, Ball D'arc and A Toi Phil easily enough) Hard to knock this form but I would say because Disko hasn't run since, and Ballyoisin fell next time out, and the two gigginstown runners have also been easily dismissed since by 3 milers PP and Our Duke, it isn't the strongest piece of form you could hang your hat on.... potentially over rated?
(I'll add I do like these horses I am just questiong whether I have been over rating them too)
4th - Politilogue - Now he's obviously now got good form in the book, but at 2miles. Fell when likely to win at Aintree 2m, wins at Execter, Sandown and Kempton all 2m (or 1m7f) before being beaten 4L by Altior, which in fairness, isn't an awful result either. What i'd be confident in saying that proves is that Politilogue does NOT want any further than 2 miles... and to use his 2mile form to boost the form/chances of horses that are running over further is very dangerous. Sometimes horses are just much better at specific trips and there fore how good Poli is over 2m, doesn't mean Top Notch is as good at 2m5f. (An example would be thinking that DOuvan is the best Gold CUp horse because he beat Sizing John over 2m)
5th - Kilcrea Vale - He has been tipped up by David Jennings I remember and he used the term "ran well in that JLT ... since then he has form figures of 82392 - no wins, the seconds were in handicap company and I don't see how Kilcrea Vale is boosting this form at all.
6th - Flying Angel - Strange one, he beat Cloudy Dream at Aintree (who subsequently might look like he doesn't give his all in his finishes) but that is still a decent run HOWEVER since then, he has been 5438 (the 3rd was in a 4 runner race). For me, Flying Angel also does NOT boost the form.

It obviously isn't bad form... but if we take out Politilogue (which I think is fair enough in terms of worthwhile Ryanair form) we're left with Disko beating Ballyoisin who hasn't (through no fault of his own) been able to show that is worthwhile and a win for Flying Angel last season, over the Arkle 2nd ... who again, has done nothing for the form at all since. What we are left with is Top Notch's actual form....

Top Notch's actual form
SInce the JLT then, he was beaten by FLying Angel and CLoudy Dream at Aintree.
He reappeared over hurdles and was 3rd out of 3 behind Unowhatimeanharry which as form is just one to put a line through.
He beat Double Shuffle by 8L at Ascot in November, and Double Shuffle went on to enhance the look of that with a 2nd in the King George... if that form is belieable and Double Shuffle's rating is now accurate, that looks a strong piece of form however it is over a different distance and at this stage I am more inclined to think it flatters Double Shuffle more than he stepped up to a huge rating. Also in behind he had Frodon who does look to have improved in winning that handicap last month - however finished close to Top Notch yesterday on favourable ground and didn;t look like being good enough to win the race.
Top Notch's next run was at Taunton in the re-arranged Peterborough where he beat Josses Hill, Ptit Zig and Vainteaux - non of which would be placed in a Ryanair anymore... not BAD form but nothing to get excited about.
His last run was yesterday, where he was in a good looking position 4 out, and faded after that. Not a bad run, but very hard to be overly excited about his chances based on that.

I did think the bookies may have over reacted by pushing him out on first glance to 8/1, however, I really have talked myself out of his chances of being good enough to win this race. Place claims still? Perhaps.... but I don't think those claims are as strong as I thought they were. I certainly would NOT back Top Notch each way at 8/1 with any confidence. I do have Top Notch backed e/w as mentioned earlier. Definitely looking elsewhere for the winner now.
 
Thinking about Top Notch, who before yesterday I was quite happy to be sat on at a very solid each way poke. Can't really make my mind up so will think out loud...

Ground
Top Notch doesn't seem ground dependant... has had wins on Heavy, Soft, Good to Soft but never won on Good ground in 3 attempts, so I'd be reluctant to say he'll IMPROVE for the likely festival ground. You could argue though his 2nd in the JLT on 'Good' behind Yorkhill was better form than some of his wins. I'd be concerned he hasn't won on good though.
Waiting Paitently and Cue Card are opposite ends of their careers but both appreciate cut in the ground. WP won't run on anything but soft now and Cue Card has very strong evidence to say that he now needs it to be soft for him to perform to his highest achievable level. Frodon also has his best form on soft ground and finished ahead of Top Notch yesterday...
I want to be sure the good-to-soft ground will reverse those placings, but I believe that'd be more to do with Frodon not acting on better ground than Top Notch improving for it.

Cheltenham
4 times at Cheltenham, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 2nd
On first glance that isn't great ... with no wins, the two seconds are a neck to Peace and Co in the Triumph 2015 and a closing 1L behind Yorkhill in that JLT (will come back to that). The 5th was in the CHampion Hurdle beaten 9.75L behind Annie Power which is a creditable run as a 5 y/o without being really worth anything. The other 5th was in the Relkeel in heavy ground beaten 21L.
I think it would be foolish to say he doesn't act around Cheltenham, because two 2nds in Group 1 races is nothing to be sniffed at... what I would say though, is that it is not a positive for him either... I have watched all 4 races back and you can't say he relishes the hill.

That JLT form
Will go straight on to it as it has popped in to my head, and just thinking out loud, but are we MASSIVELY over rating that JLT from last year?
1st - Yorkhill - 3 runs since, beaten a neck by Road to Respect (Who was a handicap winner at the time), then flopped 59L at Christmas and 81L last time out. As much as everybody likes Yorkhill and thinks he is talented, that has NOT been proven since he won this JLT?
3rd - Disko - I remember when he won the FLogas taking a big price for the JLT instantly and being very bullish about his front running chances of placing. I think Disko got a very strange ride where they didn't make the most of his CLEAR stamina advantage and I'd be happy to say this 3rd was not Disko's best run... he stepped up to 3m and won at Punchestown and his only run this season over 2m3f looks good on paper still (beating BAllyoisin, Ball D'arc and A Toi Phil easily enough) Hard to knock this form but I would say because Disko hasn't run since, and Ballyoisin fell next time out, and the two gigginstown runners have also been easily dismissed since by 3 milers PP and Our Duke, it isn't the strongest piece of form you could hang your hat on.... potentially over rated?
(I'll add I do like these horses I am just questiong whether I have been over rating them too)
4th - Politilogue - Now he's obviously now got good form in the book, but at 2miles. Fell when likely to win at Aintree 2m, wins at Execter, Sandown and Kempton all 2m (or 1m7f) before being beaten 4L by Altior, which in fairness, isn't an awful result either. What i'd be confident in saying that proves is that Politilogue does NOT want any further than 2 miles... and to use his 2mile form to boost the form/chances of horses that are running over further is very dangerous. Sometimes horses are just much better at specific trips and there fore how good Poli is over 2m, doesn't mean Top Notch is as good at 2m5f. (An example would be thinking that DOuvan is the best Gold CUp horse because he beat Sizing John over 2m)
5th - Kilcrea Vale - He has been tipped up by David Jennings I remember and he used the term "ran well in that JLT ... since then he has form figures of 82392 - no wins, the seconds were in handicap company and I don't see how Kilcrea Vale is boosting this form at all.
6th - Flying Angel - Strange one, he beat Cloudy Dream at Aintree (who subsequently might look like he doesn't give his all in his finishes) but that is still a decent run HOWEVER since then, he has been 5438 (the 3rd was in a 4 runner race). For me, Flying Angel also does NOT boost the form.

It obviously isn't bad form... but if we take out Politilogue (which I think is fair enough in terms of worthwhile Ryanair form) we're left with Disko beating Ballyoisin who hasn't (through no fault of his own) been able to show that is worthwhile and a win for Flying Angel last season, over the Arkle 2nd ... who again, has done nothing for the form at all since. What we are left with is Top Notch's actual form....

Top Notch's actual form
SInce the JLT then, he was beaten by FLying Angel and CLoudy Dream at Aintree.
He reappeared over hurdles and was 3rd out of 3 behind Unowhatimeanharry which as form is just one to put a line through.
He beat Double Shuffle by 8L at Ascot in November, and Double Shuffle went on to enhance the look of that with a 2nd in the King George... if that form is belieable and Double Shuffle's rating is now accurate, that looks a strong piece of form however it is over a different distance and at this stage I am more inclined to think it flatters Double Shuffle more than he stepped up to a huge rating. Also in behind he had Frodon who does look to have improved in winning that handicap last month - however finished close to Top Notch yesterday on favourable ground and didn;t look like being good enough to win the race.
Top Notch's next run was at Taunton in the re-arranged Peterborough where he beat Josses Hill, Ptit Zig and Vainteaux - non of which would be placed in a Ryanair anymore... not BAD form but nothing to get excited about.
His last run was yesterday, where he was in a good looking position 4 out, and faded after that. Not a bad run, but very hard to be overly excited about his chances based on that.

I did think the bookies may have over reacted by pushing him out on first glance to 8/1, however, I really have talked myself out of his chances of being good enough to win this race. Place claims still? Perhaps.... but I don't think those claims are as strong as I thought they were. I certainly would NOT back Top Notch each way at 8/1 with any confidence. I do have Top Notch backed e/w as mentioned earlier. Definitely looking elsewhere for the winner now.

I've never rated him to be honest Kev. If he couldn't beat those lads at Aintree last year he can't be any good. Are we sure Yorkhill is any good? Are we sure Yanworth is any good?

I think this race is a match between Fox Norton and UDS to be decided on the ground on the day.

I lumped on UDS last year as I couldn't believe the price he was to beat what in my opinion were a load of Grade 2 horses.

Take UDS out of last years race and there has been 20 runs with 1 win, which was Vaniteux in a handicap over 2m.

Fox Norton pulled up in King George this season, horses who get smashed in the KG have a decent record in this recently, Imperial Commander, Albertas Run, Cue Card, Dynaste. 5/1 NRNB already beat UDS at Punchestown.
 
I've been windy on Fox Norton for ages. I thought he was the worst priced horse of the festival last year in the Champion Chase and only just got away with that.

My slight reservation with Fox Norton is that we only have 1 run at the trip to use as proof he wants the trip.
Over 2m he is CLEARLY exposed now, he's closely matched to good horses (Special Tiara, Politilogue) without having enough class to beat them.

He beat Sub Luit 6L who was beaten by UDS less than 2L.... but I feel that is being taken too literally. It weas a different track, different ground, different day and Tizzards horses were absolutely flying at Aintree... I think that coupled with the fact Fox Norton then beat UDS in IReland over 2m have perhaps combined to make people ASSUME Fox Norton would beat UDS at Cheltenham.

The way I feel now though is exactly like you, in that on Good ground, I'd think that swung it in Fox Norton's favour (over UDS)... on soft ground I'd have UDS.... on Good to Soft ground, I really am not sure (price would sway me if I wasn't already on)...

UDS and Fox Norton are not my biggest winners in this race though, which is a little concerning as I can't rule either out!

... I've said all along because of the nature of this race though and how the field takes time to shape, it isn't one I've gone too crazy on... it'll be one of the last races that I make my decisions in! All options are open at the moment.

Windy!
 
I've been windy on Fox Norton for ages. I thought he was the worst priced horse of the festival last year in the Champion Chase and only just got away with that.

My slight reservation with Fox Norton is that we only have 1 run at the trip to use as proof he wants the trip.
Over 2m he is CLEARLY exposed now, he's closely matched to good horses (Special Tiara, Politilogue) without having enough class to beat them.

He beat Sub Luit 6L who was beaten by UDS less than 2L.... but I feel that is being taken too literally. It weas a different track, different ground, different day and Tizzards horses were absolutely flying at Aintree... I think that coupled with the fact Fox Norton then beat UDS in IReland over 2m have perhaps combined to make people ASSUME Fox Norton would beat UDS at Cheltenham.

The way I feel now though is exactly like you, in that on Good ground, I'd think that swung it in Fox Norton's favour (over UDS)... on soft ground I'd have UDS.... on Good to Soft ground, I really am not sure (price would sway me if I wasn't already on)...

UDS and Fox Norton are not my biggest winners in this race though, which is a little concerning as I can't rule either out!

... I've said all along because of the nature of this race though and how the field takes time to shape, it isn't one I've gone too crazy on... it'll be one of the last races that I make my decisions in! All options are open at the moment.

Windy!

I think all his recent defeats over 2m show he wants further. Other than potential Mullins horses that are rerouted there is nothing else in this race for me.
 
Thinking about Top Notch, who before yesterday I was quite happy to be sat on at a very solid each way poke. Can't really make my mind up so will think out loud...

Ground
Top Notch doesn't seem ground dependant... has had wins on Heavy, Soft, Good to Soft but never won on Good ground in 3 attempts, so I'd be reluctant to say he'll IMPROVE for the likely festival ground. You could argue though his 2nd in the JLT on 'Good' behind Yorkhill was better form than some of his wins. I'd be concerned he hasn't won on good though.
Waiting Paitently and Cue Card are opposite ends of their careers but both appreciate cut in the ground. WP won't run on anything but soft now and Cue Card has very strong evidence to say that he now needs it to be soft for him to perform to his highest achievable level. Frodon also has his best form on soft ground and finished ahead of Top Notch yesterday...
I want to be sure the good-to-soft ground will reverse those placings, but I believe that'd be more to do with Frodon not acting on better ground than Top Notch improving for it.

Cheltenham
4 times at Cheltenham, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 2nd
On first glance that isn't great ... with no wins, the two seconds are a neck to Peace and Co in the Triumph 2015 and a closing 1L behind Yorkhill in that JLT (will come back to that). The 5th was in the CHampion Hurdle beaten 9.75L behind Annie Power which is a creditable run as a 5 y/o without being really worth anything. The other 5th was in the Relkeel in heavy ground beaten 21L.
I think it would be foolish to say he doesn't act around Cheltenham, because two 2nds in Group 1 races is nothing to be sniffed at... what I would say though, is that it is not a positive for him either... I have watched all 4 races back and you can't say he relishes the hill.

That JLT form
Will go straight on to it as it has popped in to my head, and just thinking out loud, but are we MASSIVELY over rating that JLT from last year?
1st - Yorkhill - 3 runs since, beaten a neck by Road to Respect (Who was a handicap winner at the time), then flopped 59L at Christmas and 81L last time out. As much as everybody likes Yorkhill and thinks he is talented, that has NOT been proven since he won this JLT?
3rd - Disko - I remember when he won the FLogas taking a big price for the JLT instantly and being very bullish about his front running chances of placing. I think Disko got a very strange ride where they didn't make the most of his CLEAR stamina advantage and I'd be happy to say this 3rd was not Disko's best run... he stepped up to 3m and won at Punchestown and his only run this season over 2m3f looks good on paper still (beating BAllyoisin, Ball D'arc and A Toi Phil easily enough) Hard to knock this form but I would say because Disko hasn't run since, and Ballyoisin fell next time out, and the two gigginstown runners have also been easily dismissed since by 3 milers PP and Our Duke, it isn't the strongest piece of form you could hang your hat on.... potentially over rated?
(I'll add I do like these horses I am just questiong whether I have been over rating them too)
4th - Politilogue - Now he's obviously now got good form in the book, but at 2miles. Fell when likely to win at Aintree 2m, wins at Execter, Sandown and Kempton all 2m (or 1m7f) before being beaten 4L by Altior, which in fairness, isn't an awful result either. What i'd be confident in saying that proves is that Politilogue does NOT want any further than 2 miles... and to use his 2mile form to boost the form/chances of horses that are running over further is very dangerous. Sometimes horses are just much better at specific trips and there fore how good Poli is over 2m, doesn't mean Top Notch is as good at 2m5f. (An example would be thinking that DOuvan is the best Gold CUp horse because he beat Sizing John over 2m)
5th - Kilcrea Vale - He has been tipped up by David Jennings I remember and he used the term "ran well in that JLT ... since then he has form figures of 82392 - no wins, the seconds were in handicap company and I don't see how Kilcrea Vale is boosting this form at all.
6th - Flying Angel - Strange one, he beat Cloudy Dream at Aintree (who subsequently might look like he doesn't give his all in his finishes) but that is still a decent run HOWEVER since then, he has been 5438 (the 3rd was in a 4 runner race). For me, Flying Angel also does NOT boost the form.

It obviously isn't bad form... but if we take out Politilogue (which I think is fair enough in terms of worthwhile Ryanair form) we're left with Disko beating Ballyoisin who hasn't (through no fault of his own) been able to show that is worthwhile and a win for Flying Angel last season, over the Arkle 2nd ... who again, has done nothing for the form at all since. What we are left with is Top Notch's actual form....

Top Notch's actual form
SInce the JLT then, he was beaten by FLying Angel and CLoudy Dream at Aintree.
He reappeared over hurdles and was 3rd out of 3 behind Unowhatimeanharry which as form is just one to put a line through.
He beat Double Shuffle by 8L at Ascot in November, and Double Shuffle went on to enhance the look of that with a 2nd in the King George... if that form is belieable and Double Shuffle's rating is now accurate, that looks a strong piece of form however it is over a different distance and at this stage I am more inclined to think it flatters Double Shuffle more than he stepped up to a huge rating. Also in behind he had Frodon who does look to have improved in winning that handicap last month - however finished close to Top Notch yesterday on favourable ground and didn;t look like being good enough to win the race.
Top Notch's next run was at Taunton in the re-arranged Peterborough where he beat Josses Hill, Ptit Zig and Vainteaux - non of which would be placed in a Ryanair anymore... not BAD form but nothing to get excited about.
His last run was yesterday, where he was in a good looking position 4 out, and faded after that. Not a bad run, but very hard to be overly excited about his chances based on that.

I did think the bookies may have over reacted by pushing him out on first glance to 8/1, however, I really have talked myself out of his chances of being good enough to win this race. Place claims still? Perhaps.... but I don't think those claims are as strong as I thought they were. I certainly would NOT back Top Notch each way at 8/1 with any confidence. I do have Top Notch backed e/w as mentioned earlier. Definitely looking elsewhere for the winner now.

Kev,
You forgot to mention that no winner of the Peterborough Chase has gone on to win the Ryanair. Ive been against him(as you well know) from day 1 and nothing has changed.
 
I think all his recent defeats over 2m show he wants further. Other than potential Mullins horses that are rerouted there is nothing else in this race for me.

Yeh I can't disagree with that.

I'm not bowled over with Fox Norton's price. My only bet is Fox Norton any race at 6/1 too so not been anywhere close to getting a good price.
 
Kev,
You forgot to mention that no winner of the Peterborough Chase has gone on to win the Ryanair. Ive been against him(as you well know) from day 1 and nothing has changed.

With the Peterborough being over a different course I don't particularly care about that stat, but it isn't a positive for his chances at all...

I just think that JLT is over rated now, and therefore so have all Top Notch's runs since. I hope I'm wrong because he's a nice winner for me :p
 
I've never rated him to be honest Kev. If he couldn't beat those lads at Aintree last year he can't be any good. Are we sure Yorkhill is any good? Are we sure Yanworth is any good?

I think this race is a match between Fox Norton and UDS to be decided on the ground on the day.

I lumped on UDS last year as I couldn't believe the price he was to beat what in my opinion were a load of Grade 2 horses.

Take UDS out of last years race and there has been 20 runs with 1 win, which was Vaniteux in a handicap over 2m.

Fox Norton pulled up in King George this season, horses who get smashed in the KG have a decent record in this recently, Imperial Commander, Albertas Run, Cue Card, Dynaste. 5/1 NRNB already beat UDS at Punchestown.


Im with you Folski. Runners in the KG have great form for this race. So I'm nailing my colours to Fox Norton if this is his destination.
 
From Ruth Jefferson today...

She said: "He's home safe, he's eaten up and he's been out on the walker this morning. He seems absolutely fine.

"He did what we wanted him to do yesterday. Everything went well and I don't know how to describe it, to be honest.

"He just goes when you ask him, doesn't he? He must be a joy to ride. There's no wonder Brian doesn't want to let anyone else ride him!"

Waiting Patiently is joint-favourite with last year's winner Un De Sceaux for the Ryanair Chase with some bookmakers, but Jefferson remains lukewarm on the idea of a trip to Prestbury Park.

"It was only the ninth run of his life on Saturday and he's only seven, which is why we're probably the only ones not that bothered about Cheltenham," said the Norton-based trainer.

"We're not going to tie ourselves down to anything at the moment. We'll see how he is and what the ground is like at the confirmation stage and go from there.

"He only ran three times last season and he's not a horse who puts on weight quickly after he runs.

"There's also just a slight suspicion that he's better on flatter tracks and there's no hiding place at Cheltenham.

"I'm not saying we'll never go there, but if we're not 100 per cent happy we won't go."

Should Waiting Patiently bypass Cheltenham, he is likely to have options at Aintree and Punchestown in the spring, while Jefferson also has her eyes on some major prizes next season - namely the King George VI Chase at Kempton.

"He could run again this season, but it won't be the end of the world for us if he doesn't and there are races we're looking at next season," Jefferson added.

"It's an easy three miles at Kempton and he's settling better now, so you would like to think he'd stay and he has form on the track."

Real shame if he doesn't line up at the festival but great to hear the King George already being mentioned :triumphant:
 
If they're looking for ground with lots of soft in the going it seems strange that they bypass Cheltenham to wait for periods when the ground is likely to ride faster, may as well put him away until November
 
"There's also just a slight suspicion that he's better on flatter tracks and there's no hiding place at Cheltenham.

"I'm not saying we'll never go there, but if we're not 100 per cent happy we won't go."

You might not be good enough to go there in the future as your time is now. Total bottle job. Lets wait for the Punchestown festival when the ground will really suit our horse......not.
 
"There's also just a slight suspicion that he's better on flatter tracks and there's no hiding place at Cheltenham.

"I'm not saying we'll never go there, but if we're not 100 per cent happy we won't go."

You might not be good enough to go there in the future as your time is now. Total bottle job. Lets wait for the Punchestown festival when the ground will really suit our horse......not.

I dunno, they've been relatively consistent with this position haven't they? I think it's relatively admirable to think about what's best for the horse rather than having those concerns and ignoring them
 
While stressing that no firm decision had been made, Bishop said on Sunday: “It would be amazing if he could finish his career by winning the Gold Cup, and I think he deserves another chance in the race as there is unfinished business considering he has fallen at the third-last fence in his two tries in the race so far.

“If he managed to win the race I think it would bring the roof down at Cheltenham, with so many tears of joy being shed around the winner's circle so, for me, it’s a serious option.”