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Stayers Hurdle 2018

Been away all weekend so just catching up.... what was said from connections about Finian's Oscar? Travelled really well and then nothing, but can't be lacking for fitness?

If he doesn't want 3m yet, and has proven he can't do 2m.... will he skip Cheltenham and go for Aintree Hurdle?
 
Kevloaf said:
Been away all weekend so just catching up.... what was said from connections about Finian's Oscar? Travelled really well and then nothing, but can't be lacking for fitness?

If he doesn't want 3m yet, and has proven he can't do 2m.... will he skip Cheltenham and go for Aintree Hurdle?
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Cooper was interviewed by ITV4 after the racing said horse travelled well went out like a light, didn't like ground, finished distressed.
 
Kev I’d fully agree, should be kept for the Aintree hurdle
 
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The absolute obvious and logical thing to do with Finian's Oscar is for them at the very least skip the festival. I would go as far to say they should draw stumps on the season as a whole and go back to the drawing board completely and try and start again next year. He'll have obviously lost his novice status but he won't be winning anything at the Cheltenham festival at least and if they really do believe he has the talent and potential to win a Gold Cup some day they surely have to be looking away from the short term and think about trying to recover what is left in the hope all comes good in a few years time. He's only 6 years old and has been fast tracked to a degree to be in this position so they have time on their side.

The obvious thing to do is probably the opposite of what connections are thinking though based ont he evidence this season!

It's funny that I actually quite liked connections especially once Joe Tizzard became assistant trainer. It seemed like the operation, at the same time the likes of Thistlecrack and Native River were coming through were much more professional over the kind of Tizzard 'charm and naivety'. Due to the success of such horses along with of course Cue Card I like connections but my word how things have changed!
I think the quotes before the Cleeve on Friday were an all time low:

He is still a good horse and in really good form. He has always made a little noise so we have put a tongue-tie on and will see if we will be going for the Stayers' Hurdle
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Making a noise so they decided to run him over 3 miles for the first time on heavy ground...:confused::very_drunk:

It's got to the point where horses I had liked for the festival - notably Elegant Escape and also to a lesser degree Robinsfirth are starting to make me doubt their chances over what has gone on this season.
 
Been a spectator on this site for a few months, so thought I'd register and chip in

I haven't been that impressed by the British Stayers this year, with the likes of Beer Goggles and Sam Spinner beating off most on offer from last year.

Instead I'm looking over to the Irish to produce the winner, and have taken 7/1 for Supasundae to win this. It's taken me a while to come round to this decision, but base it on the following

- Cheltenham Festival form. Won the Coral Cup last year after stepping up in trip. Prior to this, he ran in one of the best supremes for a long time (Altior / Min / Buveur D'Air era) and also ran in a decent bumper (Moon Racers).
- Spring horse. Going off his performances and also from comments from the trainers and jockey, he acts best on good ground
- 3 miles. Has twice this trip twice, at Graded 1 level, finishing second to Yanworth and Apples Jade but whom appear to be set for other assignments at the festival. This level of form trumps Beer Goggles and Sam Spinner form lines
- Lightly raced this season. I'm expecting him to be withdrawn from the strange Grade 1 entry in the Irish Champion Hurdle... unless they want to get another run into him (??). Personally, I'd like to see him kept away from the track until the festival whilst others continue to slog it out on testing ground

I had a antepost bet on Bacardys. It's a shame they campaigned him over fences, not sure whether he'll be able to return to form if they end up in the stayers.

Strange that out of all of the championship races, it's this one I'm most comfortable with and happy to sit on my primary selection whilst, hopefully, others start pulling out of the race

:-)
 
kinloch brae said:
Is Supasundae a thorough stayer? It wasn't a true test of stamina last time and he still appeared to be outstayed by Apple's Jade.
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I think you've answered your our question there

If the race wasn't ran at a true pace, then it will ultimately become a sprint at the end. As a result, I would say that Supasundae was 'out paced' by Apple's Jade

Even if you feel strongly that Supasundae was outstayed by Apple's Jade, Apple's Jade is a talented horse... much better than any of the stayers over here in the UK at the moment. If Apple's Jade continue down the mares route, then I'm struggling to see how beats Supasundae
 
jono said:
The absolute obvious and logical thing to do with Finian's Oscar is for them at the very least skip the festival. I would go as far to say they should draw stumps on the season as a whole and go back to the drawing board completely and try and start again next year. He'll have obviously lost his novice status but he won't be winning anything at the Cheltenham festival at least and if they really do believe he has the talent and potential to win a Gold Cup some day they surely have to be looking away from the short term and think about trying to recover what is left in the hope all comes good in a few years time. He's only 6 years old and has been fast tracked to a degree to be in this position so they have time on their side.

The obvious thing to do is probably the opposite of what connections are thinking though based ont he evidence this season!

It's funny that I actually quite liked connections especially once Joe Tizzard became assistant trainer. It seemed like the operation, at the same time the likes of Thistlecrack and Native River were coming through were much more professional over the kind of Tizzard 'charm and naivety'. Due to the success of such horses along with of course Cue Card I like connections but my word how things have changed!
I think the quotes before the Cleeve on Friday were an all time low:



Making a noise so they decided to run him over 3 miles for the first time on heavy ground...:confused::very_drunk:

It's got to the point where horses I had liked for the festival - notably Elegant Escape and also to a lesser degree Robinsfirth are starting to make me doubt their chances over what has gone on this season.
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I too like Elegant Escape (but only for the four miler) but Tizzards awful season for luck and his decision making has put me off EE slightly.

Whilst I haven’t backed the horse myself, anyone on Naive River each way antepost must be sweating now surely. Still no run. Little news on him and everything Tizzard is running is struggling. I’d be worried.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
I too like Elegant Escape (but only for the four miler) but Tizzards awful season for luck and his decision making has put me off EE slightly.

Whilst I haven’t backed the horse myself, anyone on Naive River each way antepost must be sweating now surely. Still no run. Little news on him and everything Tizzard is running is struggling. I’d be worried.
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Agreed on both points...

I can see Elegant Escape landing a big price at big odds, but totally put off with Tizzards form

As for Native, wouldnt surprise me if he didnt run this season. Shocked if he turns up in the GC at all
 
Right, time to cause some debate....

Are you

A) A horse racing fan, with at least average intelligence, who appreciates that a horse to win a 3 mile staying hurdle, grade 1 at Cheltenham needs to be a horse that stays well and is able to put his head down and battle for a win....

B) Living in a dream world where you think that a horse than can't beat Wakanda in a handicap wins the Stayers hurdle?

C) A mug who backed every horse so can't really be right or wrong :p

I'll put myself in camp C .... but I know which one I'd like to be in :highly_amused:
 
Kevloaf said:
Right, time to cause some debate....

Are you

A) A horse racing fan, with at least average intelligence, who appreciates that a horse to win a 3 mile staying hurdle, grade 1 at Cheltenham needs to be a horse that stays well and is able to put his head down and battle for a win....

B) Living in a dream world where you think that a horse than can't beat Wakanda in a handicap wins the Stayers hurdle?

C) A mug who backed every horse so can't really be right or wrong :p

I'll put myself in camp C .... but I know which one I'd like to be in :highly_amused:
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I've not backed every horse, but I'm definitely C :devilish: :highly_amused:
 
Haha, L'ami Serge will place and not win. Similar to Top Notch.... the makings of a place Yankee there....We Have A Dream in the same boat...1 more and I might actually palce it .....

Terrefort JLT?! :highly_amused:
 
I've got faith :highly_amused:

Buveur D'air
Altior
L'Ami Serge
Might Bite

Well, enough to waste a freebet on that acca!
 
I've taken 7/1 on Yanworth NRNB. I know King is undecided where to send him but he hasn't exactly pulled up any trees going chasing and i really feel this is here for the taking especially on the evidence of his win at Aintree last year.
 
for some unknown reason I’ve been holding off backing Supersundae, but is he not unbelievable value at 4/1?
 
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Hurricane fly said:
for some unknown reason I’ve been holding off backing Supersundae, but is he not unbelievable value at 4/1?
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I'd take Supasundae at 4/1 over Sam Spinner at 4/1 100 times out of 100.

I think yesterday's win was excellent and we already know he stays 2m5f at Chelt and he's also done well over 3m this season... no chinks in the armour at all!

Supasundae is (obviously) one I've backed but I'll be making him my biggest winner I'd imagine.
 
Kevloaf said:
I'd take Supasundae at 4/1 over Sam Spinner at 4/1 100 times out of 100.

I think yesterday's win was excellent and we already know he stays 2m5f at Chelt and he's also done well over 3m this season... no chinks in the armour at all!

Supasundae is (obviously) one I've backed but I'll be making him my biggest winner I'd imagine.
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Iv got both at 20/1 ew. And extra at 12/1 ew on supasundae.

I'd rather be on supasundae but both bring completely different form lines. So I wouldn't be shocked either way. However, couldn't touch either at current prices. There no real value in that race at all now I can personally see.
 
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Scooby91 said:
Iv got both at 20/1 ew. And extra at 12/1 ew on supasundae.

I'd rather be on supasundae but both bring completely different form lines. So I wouldn't be shocked either way. However, couldn't touch either at current prices. There no real value in that race at all now I can personally see.
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I've got Supasundae 25s e/w and Sam Spinner 14s win only - but as I said a few posts back, I'll just be looking to green out and probably have Supasundae as best winner... if I can, not putting too much thought in to it today that is for sure
 
Any chance Sutton Place comes here after his run today? Got a big price on the exchanges :devilish:
 
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