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Got an email from oddschecker saying they had a data breach and passwords compromised.

Might be worth password changes if you've ever betted through them
 
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Wayward Lad said:
Hiding in plain sight and tremendous value IMO

Arkle market is centred to much around Supreme podium from last season as the place to find the winner

However gives us some value opportunities methinks 🤞
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…notice a bit of blue on Oddschecker, Unibet cut to 33s (from 66s). Still 66s with 365.
 
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…notice a bit of blue on Oddschecker, Unibet cut to 33s (from 66s). Still 66s with 365.
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That's just me, apologies 🤣. They cut everything I bet on ante post within 30 seconds of me placing the bet. They usually allow me between 5-20 on and then cut the price.

I dont know why they dont just ban me, they must have decided it's better to keep me around as some sort of alarm to let them know when something ante post is overpriced 🤣
 
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riccirich said:
That's just me, apologies 🤣. They cut everything I bet on ante post within 30 seconds of me placing the bet. They usually allow me between 5-20 on and then cut the price.

I dont know why they dont just ban me, they must have decided it's better to keep me around as some sort of alarm to let them know when something ante post is overpriced 🤣
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Why ban you when they can let ‘Shrewdies’ 😎 mark their card for them when they are out of kilter!😂

Been going on for yonks, where they are indirectly buying information from ‘faces’ .

Shame it doesn’t result in other prices lengthening as otherwise a few disinformation bets would be appropriate methinks 😂
 
Wayward Lad said:
Why ban you when they can let ‘Shrewdies’ 😎 mark their card for them when they are out of kilter!😂

Been going on for yonks, where they are indirectly buying information from ‘faces’ .

Shame it doesn’t result in other prices lengthening as otherwise a few disinformation bets would be appropriate methinks 😂
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I wish they'd all have a similar attitude 🤣

If I was allowed 20 quid on with all the accounts that have restricted me it'd be a bit better than the usual 20 cents.
 
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Anyone having probs with 365 antepost tonight?
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Yeah, i accidentally deleted the bookmarked site the weekend and can't get it back on so have had to download the app til i can suss it out, on the app i couldn't get any antepost up.
 
For those FJ’s that still frequent betting shops (probably a fair few based upon online account restrictions) then you may want to go ‘incognito’ from tomorrow onwards ie in disguise, as otherwise you may be tarred with the same brush as how the Government (PM’s social media post today) categorise betting shops nowadays…..”Dodgy businesses”😎

Whilst I know they can be thieving robbing b’stards at times, the “Dodgy” categorisation is a bit strong dont you think!😱
 
Does anyone have any football antepost fancies? Don’t tend to back many singles but enjoy putting together a few different combinations. Some of my thoughts:

Prem - not too many fancies, I think Leeds and forest will go well and are value for top half finishes with a lot of the other ‘smaller’ clubs having European campaigns which can always be difficult to manage. Hull to finish bottom, I think they’re one of the weakest sides to be promoted in a long time. Also like Fulham to be relegated at 11/2, Arbeloa looks a massive risk to me.

Champ - Norwich top 8 my favourite pick, great form following manager change part way through last season and kept pretty much all their key players with a few decent additions.

League 1 - Think Leicester and Sheff Wed are worth taking on. Luton look solid all over and ended last season well, like them to win the league and promotion. Mk Dons top 6, they had a top end league 1 team in league 2, have made strong additions and have a manager with a number of promotions on his CV. Again will have a punt on promotion. However, probably my best bet across all the leagues is Leyton Orient top London team up against AFC Wimbledon and Bromley. They’ve lost Dom Ballard but got good money for him and have added some real quality across the pitch for this level. I actually like them to push for the play offs, while Wimbledon look just as weak as last year and Bromley are likely to be aiming to stay up, which looks just about their limit. I’d have Leyton Orient strong odds on, and surprised they’re still available at 5/4 in this market. Will also back them in the seasom handicap at +25. Burton I think will struggle and be relegated.

League 2 - Salford probs win it, ridiculous signings, but manager bit of an unknown. Bristol Rovers top 7 and top 3, Steve Evans just a master in the lower leagues, and ended last season on fire. Barnet top 7 also.

National League - Boreham Wood top 3. Drifted from 6/4 to 2/1 after opening weekend which is an overreaction to me. Arguably best manager in league and best players. Best player in from last season still there at the moment, and even if they do sell it will be for well over 1 mil which is unbelievable for this level. Players can be signed at any point on national league so i’m sure they’d make good use of the funds. I think they win the league.

Have combined a few of different versions of these And included some shorter picks in accas, like boro top 8, luton top 6. Gives a bit of interest for the season and hopefully land a few nice winners!
 
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Pretty sure my accounts been flagged for a few years now, and they still let me play as long as I don't go too mad.

I was going to do some long winded spiel on Salver as a lively outsider for the Gold Cup @ 100-1 but the price got changed last night to 66-1 best. So not as attractive really at this point. He's the type that might only run at his best in a race like the Gold cup so could easily be fancy prices nearer the time IMO. Obvious risk is he wins something decent early doors or goes close, and his price contracts.

I actually think he jumps and travels well enough and in Spring last season in the 2 big races he ran in he wasn't put into either race till it was too late and both races seemed to favour those on the pace. In the Browns in particular he was left a little at the start and jumped the first widest of all, then was settled at or near the back for most of the rest of the race, then he had to hurdle Kaid Dauthie after he fell. The jockey started riding him on the way down the hill as I think he knew they were not going to stop in front, so this was a good decision and he got him rolling nicely and he was by far the best horse from 3 out to the line. He seemed to really like the uphill finish.

I can't see the finish of the race at Aintree cos of the Gold Dancer incident, but he was looking like getting up for second but made a mistake at the last after letting the first 2 get first run off the front again. The front 2 definitely nicked a soft enough lead anyhow.

The Caveat is that he probably lacks the pace and class of a Gold cup horse but these classy types don't always win the blue riband it's sometimes the ones that stay really well up the hill. The staying types are definitely the ones that can get placed more often than not.
Salver looks all heart and stamina to me.

His back form is also far better than you first think, so worth a look at that for anyone vaguely interested.
But he's probably just one to watch early in the season now i reckon. His runs late last season suggested that he will be better the longer the trip especially if they go a good gallop.
I think the Gold cup would suit him well and he might not get that test until that test, I'd like to think the trainer appreciates this and doesn't duck it cos his early season form isn't sharp.

Although he'll probably end up at Sandown for the Whitbread at the end of the season. Forgot it's new name. :unsure:

Obviously not in love with the trainer as a Gold Cup winning prospect either, or the breeding, but yesterday I did think the 100-1 as an each way shot was worth a go.

Still long winded wasn't it ? :ROFLMAO:(y):rolleyes:
 
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Wayward Lad said:
For those FJ’s that still frequent betting shops (probably a fair few based upon online account restrictions) then you may want to go ‘incognito’ from tomorrow onwards ie in disguise, as otherwise you may be tarred with the same brush as how the Government (PM’s social media post today) categorise betting shops nowadays…..”Dodgy businesses”😎

Whilst I know they can be thieving robbing b’stards at times, the “Dodgy” categorisation is a bit strong dont you think!😱
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Dark glasses, false beard and thumb over the machine camera
 
At 66's you aren't taking much risk with small stakes so I wouldn't put anyone off. That said, he hasn't looked in love with the course on the 2 occasions he's ran and he also looks to need a fair bit of dig in the ground to show his best which he's unlikely to get at the Fez these days even on the 1st day.
 
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Wayward Lad said:
For those FJ’s that still frequent betting shops (probably a fair few based upon online account restrictions) then you may want to go ‘incognito’ from tomorrow onwards ie in disguise, as otherwise you may be tarred with the same brush as how the Government (PM’s social media post today) categorise betting shops nowadays…..”Dodgy businesses”😎

Whilst I know they can be thieving robbing b’stards at times, the “Dodgy” categorisation is a bit strong dont you think!😱
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The narrative has been set for a few years and various governments have viewed the sport as ‘dodgy’ as you put it.
It used to make me mad, now I’ve found avenues to get on I just ignore the moral position of funding, that’s not to say I don’t care about the sports future but it’s bookmakers who have created the mess and governments/regulator allowed the chaos to unfold, all very sad but nothing is changing any time soon….
 
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What a blinded and uneducated view of betting shops the Prime minister must have that doesn't bode well for the industry one bit. it takes 30 seconds to see the facts that betting shops are closing and in significant decline with two of the three major chains announcing significant closures in the last few months. To categorise them with Vape Shops and American Candy stores is a disgrace and an insult to all those that work or are involved with shops, including customers. the proposal is pretty irrelevant as Betting Shops are not being opened anywhere but the fact he considers them in the same breath is embarrassingly uneducated, and that's our Prime Minister...
 
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They're closing because stake restrictions on the FOBTs aren't the same money maker as they used to be, no?

Same reason three Coral would open in the same town 500m apart when they were only allowed four terminals in each shop.

I think a love for horse racing and betting shops being a mess on the high street can both be true. As much as the latter may be partly funding the former.
 
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Istabraq said:
The narrative has been set for a few years and various governments have viewed the sport as ‘dodgy’ as you put it.
It used to make me mad, now I’ve found avenues to get on I just ignore the moral position of funding, that’s not to say I don’t care about the sports future but it’s bookmakers who have created the mess and governments/regulator allowed the chaos to unfold, all very sad but nothing is changing any time soon….
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I agree Ista…sad, but disagree that nothing is changing anytime soon

Change is coming and unfortunately all bad IMO

Betting shop numbers I believe directly correlate to the amount of Media Rights payments bookmakers pay to racecourses. Major operators have recently confirmed large numbers to close and I suspect there will be more, as the tax increases to machines kick in and affordability checks become statutory.

Media rights payments are in part used towards prize money and will be reducing now, even before the next negotiation phase, where bookmakers will expect to pay less per shop and online due to the decline in horse racing turnover

Levy payments will decline as customers refuse intrusive affordability checks and financial risk assessments recently agreed by the GC (these are different from affordability checks and are in addition to), both in shop and online.

Most of the Levy goes into prize money

The Racecourses are a law unto themselves and will reduce prize money to maintain their margins, when media and levy payments inevitably reduce

Prize money directly impacts horse owners level of subsidy for a sport they love/enjoy…..bigger losses on their annual P&L!……less owners resulting in less horses in training?….. maybe more detrimental to Nat Hunt than flat?

Bookmaker total £’s to horse racing will reduce and sponsorships be withdrawn as contracts come up for renewal. Football is their main product nowadays and costs nothing in terms of Levy or Media Rights etc…….ironically the customer pays directly for the media rights, through home/pub subscriptions !

We know now clearly how Government perceive Betting and cannot expect any support, if anything the contrary with more regulation and higher taxes.

The only light could be with the outcomes from the Jockey Club and Ascot removing themselves by the end of this year from the RCA (which is meant to represent all racecourses) and how the sport operates as a result of this change……also a new BHA boss…...i suspect that there will be a lot of noise over the next year, which ultimately is about control and money.

What we do know is that the current level of declining income cannot support the current level of fixtures or number of racecourses, so expect change and more noise as we go through the process.

Boring industry stuff…..but reality and something thats happening now and IMO threatens a sport FJ’s enjoy

Roll on Nat Hunt season 2026/2027 👍
 
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