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Irish said they won’t move cos the new bank holiday is a good reserve day option
Cheltenham should move really as it’s likely they’ll suffer less ticket sale than vice versa and it’s still a suitable gap till Cheltenham
 
Irish said they won’t move cos the new bank holiday is a good reserve day option
Cheltenham should move really as it’s likely they’ll suffer less ticket sale than vice versa and it’s still a suitable gap till Cheltenham
I’m sure the Jockey Club would argue that affects their scheduling as the week after Trials Day is the Scilly Isles at Sandown followed the week after with the Kingmaker at Warwick.
It’s not ideal but does make for a very decent Saturdays racing….
 
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To be honest, I doubt that more than a few hundred souls would normally go to both Trials Day and the DRF and I suspect that it's more a p1ssing up the wall competition between Cheltenham and what they would see as an upstart.

Neither will move now because they've both started selling tickets.
 
To be honest, I doubt that more than a few hundred souls would normally go to both Trials Day and the DRF
I'm expecting Cheltenham to suffer more on the basis that people who may have planned going are more likely to settle in front of the TV or pub so they can watch both, a drop of rain and that increases further.
Last year was much improved but Trials Day over recent seasons has been fairly low class stuff from what it was but it's safe to say there are likely to be far more festival clues over the water...
 
I’ve been to a fair few meetings around that sort of time over the years, and always fair crowd attendance, admittedly not Cheltenham, but certainly Ascot and Sandown.
Cheltenham seems to have a fair attendance at all their meetings I always thought?
 
I'm expecting Cheltenham to suffer more on the basis that people who may have planned going are more likely to settle in front of the TV or pub so they can watch both, a drop of rain and that increases further.
Last year was much improved but Trials Day over recent seasons has been fairly low class stuff from what it was but it's safe to say there are likely to be far more festival clues over the water...
Yeah I can see the point watching at home, but also all races are shown at the course, so anyone wanting to go racing at Cheltenham can still watch the DRF if they want to.
If I lived close enough to Cheltenham I’d definitely go for a day out watching live graded races and seeing the graded races in Ireland on the screens.
 
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I’m sure the Jockey Club would argue that affects their scheduling as the week after Trials Day is the Scilly Isles at Sandown followed the week after with the Kingmaker at Warwick.
It’s not ideal but does make for a very decent Saturdays racing….
Yep exactly that
There’s a few courses that have some of their big days around that time of year, can’t see anyway the jockey club would mess about with changing dates
 
It’s going to be busy day for most of us lot anyhow
Proper fingers on buzzers stuff
I might have gone to trials day or Dublin but unlikely now if I’m still doing antepost to the same levels
Which I’ve tried to curtail last couple of years or so as it’s so time consuming and obsessive
But I normally fail so expect I’ll do the same again. 😂
 
As a member I know where I will be - although trials day is not a prolific source of festival winners. None from this years trials day. Whereas Dublin has a much better record. But as someone said you can watch all the Dublin races on tv so it’s a no brainer for me - even though there is the little matter of getting there from the Isle of Wight!
 
I noticed this morning , Corals have been adding some new horses in and adjusting prices , they have cut Jango baie from 6-1 to 7-2 for the king George.
 
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Il est Francais - 8 y/o , has moved from Tom George to Dan Skelton.
Racing Post..
 
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Plate winner in March ?
2 or 3 poor runs to trim his mark and then boom !

Still no suggestion the horse can perform going left handed. I would be looking at February and the Ladbrokes Trophy at Kempton. Worth £85k to the winner and won by Lookaway last season when Skelton ran Boombawn in the race off 151 top weight.
 
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Just had a couple hours looking at the big races and a horse that looked way over priced.

Tutti Quanti - Arkle 66-1 (excellent each way price IMO)
as low as 20-1 W,Hill.
I'd say 33-1/20-1 is much more like his true odds.


Jumped out to me as his Betfair win was very good indeed, had no chance after the start in the champion hurdle, and then was giving masses of weight in the Scottish champion and still leading when he fell at the second last.

His sire (chanducoq) is relatively new but had a good season last year with this horse, apolon de charnie and he's on fire all advertising the sires potential as a NH sire for the foreseeable future, the sires dad was voix du nord who also excelled with chasers such as kemboy, defi du seuil, taquin de seuil, bachasson, vibrato valtat, all rated over 160+ over fences.
The dams sire was Muhtathir who produced Envoi Allen and other top rated horses in recent times.

He's also a big looking thing and likely to make a better chaser as a lot of Nicholls horses often do.
I'm not opposed to backing a 2 mile chaser trainer by Nicholls and so the 66-1 looks big enough for a French bred hurdler rated 151 (old park star OR155 so won't be far off the best of those coming from the hurdle scene).
He'll also be 7 next year which is a good age for a very good arkle horse as the last four 7yr olds to win it were Shiskin, Altior, Un De Seaux and Simonsig.

Bored now so I'll put something up for the gold cup tomorrow if i remember.

Obviously someone is going to tell me that nicholls says he's staying over hurdles :ROFLMAO:
Although I'm pretty sure he said before the champion hurdle it would be his last run before going chasing (that proved to be a lie, although he can be forgiven the run in scotland as the champion hurdle was a non event for the horse)
 
Just had a couple hours looking at the big races and a horse that looked way over priced.

Tutti Quanti - Arkle 66-1 (excellent each way price IMO)
as low as 20-1 W,Hill.
I'd say 33-1/20-1 is much more like his true odds.

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Obviously someone is going to tell me that nicholls says he's staying over hurdles :ROFLMAO:
Although I'm pretty sure he said before the champion hurdle it would be his last run before going chasing (that proved to be a lie, although he can be forgiven the run in scotland as the champion hurdle was a non event for the horse)
TUTTI QUANTI was very good, wasn't he? I thought he'd run well but Paul [Nicholls] has been really bullish about him to me at home and he was right. He does hang and left-handed is the key to this horse. He's obviously a good horse. I'm not quite sure he's Champion Hurdle class just yet but he's a very good horse and will be a lovely chaser next season - Harry Cobden, jockey, speaking to ITV Racing.
 
…..I already had TQ in my book but at shorter than 66s on offer, so happy to cash-in SB and take the bigger price with 365 pushing him out from 50s. Thanks @Quevega, look forward to your GC analysis.
 
Just had a couple hours looking at the big races and a horse that looked way over priced.

Tutti Quanti - Arkle 66-1 (excellent each way price IMO)
as low as 20-1 W,Hill.
I'd say 33-1/20-1 is much more like his true odds.


Jumped out to me as his Betfair win was very good indeed, had no chance after the start in the champion hurdle, and then was giving masses of weight in the Scottish champion and still leading when he fell at the second last.

His sire (chanducoq) is relatively new but had a good season last year with this horse, apolon de charnie and he's on fire all advertising the sires potential as a NH sire for the foreseeable future, the sires dad was voix du nord who also excelled with chasers such as kemboy, defi du seuil, taquin de seuil, bachasson, vibrato valtat, all rated over 160+ over fences.
The dams sire was Muhtathir who produced Envoi Allen and other top rated horses in recent times.

He's also a big looking thing and likely to make a better chaser as a lot of Nicholls horses often do.
I'm not opposed to backing a 2 mile chaser trainer by Nicholls and so the 66-1 looks big enough for a French bred hurdler rated 151 (old park star OR155 so won't be far off the best of those coming from the hurdle scene).
He'll also be 7 next year which is a good age for a very good arkle horse as the last four 7yr olds to win it were Shiskin, Altior, Un De Seaux and Simonsig.

Bored now so I'll put something up for the gold cup tomorrow if i remember.

Obviously someone is going to tell me that nicholls says he's staying over hurdles :ROFLMAO:
Although I'm pretty sure he said before the champion hurdle it would be his last run before going chasing (that proved to be a lie, although he can be forgiven the run in scotland as the champion hurdle was a non event for the horse)
Hiding in plain sight and tremendous value IMO

Arkle market is centred to much around Supreme podium from last season as the place to find the winner

However gives us some value opportunities methinks 🤞