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2023 Novice Hurdlers

Exar Essay said:
What a wholly unsatisfactory 15 minutes. You'd want more than that from Spanish Harlem if he's to win a Pipe. Didn't seem to be holding anything back. Rare Edition ... maybe just a good horse rather than being a real challenger come March.
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If I could offer any encouragement it would be that if they did end up at the festival they would both encounter entirely different types of races
 
AaronLad said:
If I could offer any encouragement it would be that if they did end up at the festival they would both encounter entirely different types of races
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Yes......much harder !:biggrin-new:

Both just not good enough.

SH is just very one paced. Needs a proper test. He'll probably just go to the Albert now as an extra dart for Willie. The extra distance might tweek some improvement.
 
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We'veallbeencaught let the form of Hermes Allen down a little in Ireland recently, but his Challow form is starting to look a lot better.
And definitely makes the mare who came second to him very interesting. She may want further as she is entered in the ballymore and bartlett I suppose but I'll be watching for her next entry.
 
Quevega said:
We'veallbeencaught let the form of Hermes Allen down a little in Ireland recently, but his Challow form is starting to look a lot better.
And definitely makes the mare who came second to him very interesting. She may want further as she is entered in the ballymore and bartlett I suppose but I'll be watching for her next entry.
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You can't say that Q.......the Hermes Allen haters will be after your blood :excitement:


True though, 4th ,5th and 6th beaten miles have come out and won next time.
 
Quevega said:
We'veallbeencaught let the form of Hermes Allen down a little in Ireland recently, but his Challow form is starting to look a lot better.
And definitely makes the mare who came second to him very interesting. She may want further as she is entered in the ballymore and bartlett I suppose but I'll be watching for her next entry.
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When Horses win with loads in hand, I don’t worry too much about form being franked, but nice to see all the same
 
Anyone know if Diverge has been put up somewhere? Blue everywhere. Seems an odd one. Ran well enough in beating nothing on his second start. But beaten into 6th by Parmenion, High Definition, Jetara etc. of debut.
 
Exar Essay said:
Anyone know if Diverge has been put up somewhere? Blue everywhere. Seems an odd one. Ran well enough in beating nothing on his second start. But beaten into 6th by Parmenion, High Definition, Jetara etc. of debut.
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Imagine he will be a likeable horse for the preview shows because of the Sire
 
Exar Essay said:
Anyone know if Diverge has been put up somewhere? Blue everywhere. Seems an odd one. Ran well enough in beating nothing on his second start. But beaten into 6th by Parmenion, High Definition, Jetara etc. of debut.
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Ran very fast in the last half of the race and jumped very well. Improved a lot from his first run. I think he has a good chance, backed him at 33.
 
Diverge seems an awful price now to me. Not many supreme winners go in on the back of a win in a maiden hurdle imo. Can't recall the last to do so but there's probably one?

Be surprised if there's two though! :mask:

The Supreme isn't a race that often throws up shocks is it. Labaik the one I remember but he came with a big reputation and winning graded form, but had refused to race a few times since.
 
Diverge's win was more than a week ago. Ruby flagging it up now causes the price collapse. Why not, it's another large distance Mullins maiden winner. What's not to lose. Get on before the price collapses even more!! Join the train now, or miss out!!

When you factor in the issues around other trainers keeping their distance to avoid a hefty handicap mark, plus the bookmakers pricing every maiden winner by high profile trainers as they may be on the day, in a grade 1 that ends up with 10-12 runners, and so it becomes.

No thanks.

Out of interest, will some of you making a book guys, or girls, want to get him now on board, for the sake of your book, or do you take a clinical view on what we've seen this far?
 
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Out of interest, will some of you making a book guys, or girls, want to get him now on board, for the sake of your book, or do you take a clinical view on what we've seen this far?
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Ive had to add him now. It’s not a year where there are absolute standouts so a perceived outsider or stable third string could win it.

As you say, the price could collapse further. B365 BOG makes this a pretty safe bet. I really didn’t want to add him though.
 
Exar Essay said:
Ive had to add him now. It’s not a year where there are absolute standouts so a perceived outsider or stable third string could win it.

As you say, the price could collapse further. B365 BOG makes this a pretty safe bet. I really didn’t want to add him though.
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Don't then. There's been plenty of years when there's been no standout and a slightly lesser winner. But almost never with that sort of profile. I don't really get why you've had to?
 
Benjy23 said:
Don't then. There's been plenty of years when there's been no standout and a slightly lesser winner. But almost never with that sort of profile. I don't really get why you've had to?
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Because I’m making a book. I was responding specifically to IR’s question. It would be a very brave a call to omit a Mullins runner when making a book.

If there’s a chance, no matter how small, I need to cover the horse.
 
Exar Essay said:
Because I’m making a book. I was responding specifically to IR’s question. It would be a very brave a call to omit a Mullins runner when making a book.

If there’s a chance, no matter how small, I need to cover the horse.
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Fair play. Hope you got on before the price cuts. Doubt he'll go off (much) shorter than his current price to be honest, unless something mad happens. 11s with Paddy's is outrageous like, however weak this looks.

Think I'd almost rather back one of the English lot at the prices :glee:

Genuine question: any history of a Mullins third string winning the Supreme?
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Ebaziyan at 40/1? Edit - was his only runner
 
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Benjy23 said:
Fair play. Hope you got on before the price cuts. Doubt he'll go off (much) shorter than his current price to be honest, unless something mad happens. 11s with Paddy's is outrageous like, however weak this looks.

Think I'd almost rather back one of the English lot at the prices :glee:

Genuine question: any history of a Mullins third string winning the Supreme?
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There’s a question. Don’t think so.

My thinking is that Ruby has already put him forward. People will be scrabbling for a ‘price’ in the Supreme as it’s so open. This lad could be all the rage in the previews and go off 8/1.

I only got on at 16s but am protected from a price rise by BOG so happy enough. I’ve only bet him enough to ensure a small win as he’s not my idea of the winner.
 
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Aye, think you're right in that Ruby (or others with connections to Mullins) going round tipping him at previews is the best chance of him being backed.

Ebaziyan a nice shout to be fair. Was Mullins only runner but was winning on the back of a Maiden hurdle, so about as close as we're going to get I'd imagine. 16 years ago as well. Maybe 16s is the right price :welcoming:​​​​​​​
 
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