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Cheltenham Gold Cup 2020

Hamptonfox said:
If Altior loses the KG, possibly due in part to it being a Right-handed track. Would that mean the Hendo would abort a Gold Cup bid?

Does he have to win the KG for connections to decide to line up in the Gold Cup?
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I think so.

First step will be to prove he's still got the same ability this year (Christy 1965 Chase)!

To be fair, it's pretty clear when he says
Obviously we’re forfeiting the Tingle Creek but he’s going to get beaten one day so I think we have to go down another road and if it doesn’t work out we can always go back to the Game Spirit, Champion Chase and do all of that again, but hopefully we won’t have to.
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Oh my God he's going to win the Gold Cup:triumphant:

but to me, that's so clear htat if they lose when upped in trip they'll go back to 2 miles.

This King George/Gold Cup tilt really is a nothing-to-lose situation for them.... he either does it and is up there with Kauto Star, or fails and he remains "just" a superstar 2 miler.

Win-Win
 
Kevloaf said:
I think so.

First step will be to prove he's still got the same ability this year (Christy 1965 Chase)!

To be fair, it's pretty clear when he says

Oh my God he's going to win the Gold Cup:triumphant:

but to me, that's so clear htat if they lose when upped in trip they'll go back to 2 miles.

This King George/Gold Cup tilt really is a nothing-to-lose situation for them.... he either does it and is up there with Kauto Star, or fails and he remains "just" a superstar 2 miler.

Win-Win
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Blows this market for this wide open. You dont want to be backing one of the market leaders, or even worse have a book of a few for this. You'd have to be worried if you do.

They're all going to drift if altior wins the KG or even his prep.
Looking at the rest of the prices, altior is absolutely no 16/1 shot. Hed' be fav NRNB 100% . And for me, hes the most likely winner.

If you dont fancy him, hold your horses and hope he wins the KG. Your going to get some value.
 
Maybe the Champion Chase has some value in it now too, if Altior could be missing from the field.
 
Hamptonfox said:
Maybe the Champion Chase has some value in it now too, if Altior could be missing from the field.
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The very almost related double, is the common sense one, for the ones who like there doubles, whatever there qmcc fancy may be. (Qmcc) (GC)

For instance chacun and altior 7s and 16s. If altior was to win the KG. And chacun won a micky mouse race in ireland, Would pay more on the cashout, than altior winning the KG himself.
 
I'm about to open the war chest.

Chelt 2020 starts now :triumphant:
 
Would be silly not to get Altior in the book and I have a few free bets to use up this week which will be going straight on.
 
Does Altior any race now come into play for anyone?

5/2 is the only price I’ve seen offered
 
Imo come March. the Gold Cup for Alitor will be dead and buried and we will be thinking my heart ruled my head on that one.Hope im wrong for you guys who are on but its one i wont be touching.Now where did i put that barge pole :highly_amused:
 
somer1 said:
Imo come March. the Gold Cup for Alitor will be dead and buried and we will be thinking my heart ruled my head on that one.Hope im wrong for you guys who are on but its one i wont be touching.Now where did i put that barge pole :highly_amused:
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Either that or youll be thinking, why diddnt i just back the best horse in training at 16/1.
 
Could Altior be in no mans land for Cheltenham 2020, not having the gears for 2m and not staying the trip in the Gold Cup? Ryanair winner for 2021?
 
archie said:
Fixed that for you.:devilish:
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:highly_amused:

Double the price to find out.



The fact Santini is a shorter price than Altior is mental, in the real world.


The price of last years RSA winners are disgusting right now, even if one of them wins it, they've been horrible prices.
 
Kevloaf said:
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Double the price to find out.



The fact Santini is a shorter price than Altior is mental, in the real world.


The price of last years RSA winners are disgusting right now, even if one of them wins it, they've been horrible prices.
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Come on Kev.Santini had a bloody bad prep and still gave TOFG a run for its money. I think the 1st 2nd and 3rd from last years RSA are above average. I would put my money on one that has swown it stays 3m plus rather than a 10yo ( next year ) that hasnt run anywhere near the Gold Cup trip.
 
somer1 said:
Come on Kev.Santini had a bloody bad prep and still gave TOFG a run for its money. I think the 1st 2nd and 3rd from last years RSA are above average. I would put my money on one that has swown it stays 3m plus rather than a 10yo ( next year ) that hasnt run anywhere near the Gold Cup trip.
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There is no proof that giving Topofthegame a run for its money is decent form yet though.... so when they're priced like it IS good form, it needs to be questioned.



If you can't see with your own eyes that Altior would get further than 2 miles then take the trainer and jockeys word for it.


Altior could improve for a step up in trip, if he does that, people may look back and wonder what on earth he was doing at 2 miles for so long :p

He's a 3 miler, that's so bloody classy he's won two Champion Chases. :)
 
Dont know if its possible to do it on this site but can we run a poll to see who we think will finish in the top 3 of the Gold Cup? Might be a bit of fun for the tricast
 
Kevloaf said:
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Double the price to find out.



The fact Santini is a shorter price than Altior is mental, in the real world.


The price of last years RSA winners are disgusting right now, even if one of them wins it, they've been horrible prices.
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Historically the RSA has been a pretty decent trial for the Gold Cup so the bookies are not going to take many risks, especially when the stats are against previous winners/runners.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Historically the RSA has been a pretty decent trial for the Gold Cup so the bookies are not going to take many risks, especially when the stats are against previous winners/runners.
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I know they're not going to, which is why the prices aren't good value now.


I am not saying the RSA first 3 home can't be the first three in the Gold Cup, but bar the 25/1 that lingered for Delta Work, they're not good value, so the bookies are right, but that doesn't help me build a book right now.


I've just seen the first bet I placed on Cheltenham 2020 was a £25 free bet at 10/1 on Topofthegame (placed 20th March)...now that is a POOR bet :highly_amused:
 
Kevloaf said:
Altior could improve for a step up in trip, if he does that, people may look back and wonder what on earth he was doing at 2 miles for so long :p
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Re Sizing John , although he won the Gold cup at 7 year's old.
 
Reading the sentence last few pages on Altior... what a prospect we have to look forward to.

We’re potentially getting one of the all-time greats at 16/1 for a race he could be ruled out of by Christmas or be 2/1 favourite by New Years Day.

Exciting stuff
 
Kevloaf said:
There is no proof that giving Topofthegame a run for its money is decent form yet though.... so when they're priced like it IS good form, it needs to be questioned.



If you can't see with your own eyes that Altior would get further than 2 miles then take the trainer and jockeys word for it.


Altior could improve for a step up in trip, if he does that, people may look back and wonder what on earth he was doing at 2 miles for so long :p

He's a 3 miler, that's so bloody classy he's won two Champion Chases. :)
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IF thats a bloody big word Kev.
 
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