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Mares Hurdle 2019

Don't think anyone is saying she isn't a good mare it's just she only seems to have one way of racing for now, regarding market with two at the head drifting it's only right a couple beneath will shorten (as well as shrewdies) looking for more value.
 
Outlaw said:
Don't think anyone is saying she isn't a good mare it's just she only seems to have one way of racing for now, regarding market with two at the head drifting it's only right a couple beneath will shorten (as well as shrewdies) looking for more value.
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I don't get what the 1 way of racing is. She's no longer weak and mad keen. She sets a strong controlled gallop and gets them all at it whilst hitting the line well within herself. There's no espoir d'allen in here, I think time will tell he's beat her fair and square and he's a very good horse. This is a drop in class in all but name
 
Scooby91 said:
I don't get what the 1 way of racing is. She's no longer weak and mad keen. She sets a strong controlled gallop and gets them all at it whilst hitting the line well within herself. There's no espoir d'allen in here, I think time will tell he's beat her fair and square and he's a very good horse. This is a drop in class in all but name
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Regarding Espoir yeah don't doubt that he's one to get onside next year (this year for some) at this point in time most folk agree now that only BDD comes here given recent comments . Total guess work if both Other rivals stick to CH still , those on at 20s when it was still assumed 2/3 big guns come here fair play .

What would you make Stormy on the day if only BDD rocks up then ?
 
I can definitely see the form of Stormy Ireland making her interesting, she'd have to be 5/1 at best?

Elimary ew
Stormy Ireland ew
Benie Des Dieux win only


Not playing many others, Benie Des Dieux is a good enough winner from multiples for me.


5 pts win on AJ makes this race hard for me to come back from, certainly not going chasing too hard but wasn't a race to get too frisky in anyway
 
Outlaw said:
Regarding Espoir yeah don't doubt that he's one to get onside next year (this year for some) at this point in time most folk agree now that only BDD comes here given recent comments . Total guess work if both Other rivals stick to CH still , those on at 20s when it was still assumed 2/3 big guns come here fair play .

What would you make Stormy on the day if only BDD rocks up then ?
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6/1 max imo. liminI on past form wont be far off that either. Bennie if she wins her trial will prob be 10/11 on the day. I see that as too short myself. But they'll be ducking for cover on what will be seen as a banker.


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Better add that's what price I think she'll be. What price I personally make her. Assuming "the big 2" don't go. Is about a 7/2 chance
 
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Interesting to see if & how Momella runs st Warwick this weekend- things obviously haven’t gone to plan but she’s got the ability to run better in this now it looks like AJ & Laurina won’t be here than 33/1 suggests imo.
 
Cashew King said:
Interesting to see if & how Momella runs st Warwick this weekend- things obviously haven’t gone to plan but she’s got the ability to run better in this now it looks like AJ & Laurina won’t be here than 33/1 suggests imo.
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Do you think Skelton's will go for the Mares race over a handicap?
 
With Fry this year & think they’ll be tempted now the opposition is defecting - already a winner over 2.5 at Cheltenham
 
She’s grade 1 placed already- so possibly too good & too high in the weights for a handicap. She’s entered in this & the stayers - this looks the best of those options to me. She was backed & still travelling in the Grade 2 at Newbury first up this season when coming to grief & trainer said draw a line through Kempton - as I say interesting to see how she goes but could be a player here.
 
i'm on BDD as main bet at decent prices so delighted AJ moved to Champion :)

However, this race could open up big time as we dont know iBDD well-being as only one horse to beat for rest

Not sure value in likes of Limini and Storm Ireland, who have as much to find as most of rest

I agree with the thoughts on Momella....33-1 ew NRNB seems worth a shout, plus also have added small bet on Miss Tata has festival form....Elliott might be able to get her back and used up a free bet at long odds.....will add if looks better after run

And if fancy real long shot, If You say run over 100-1 on BF and relatively unexposed with Nicholls

On ratings, none beat BDD....but maybe clues on Sat
 
TigerRolllllll said:
i'm on BDD as main bet at decent prices so delighted AJ moved to Champion :)

However, this race could open up big time as we dont know iBDD well-being as only one horse to beat for rest

Not sure value in likes of Limini and Storm Ireland, who have as much to find as most of rest

I agree with the thoughts on Momella....33-1 ew NRNB seems worth a shout, plus also have added small bet on Miss Tata has festival form....Elliott might be able to get her back and used up a free bet at long odds.....will add if looks better after run

And if fancy real long shot, If You say run over 100-1 on BF and relatively unexposed with Nicholls

On ratings, none beat BDD....but maybe clues on Sat
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According to Mullins, the Mares' Hurdle at the festival will again be the target for Benie Des Dieux, who won the race last year, when Apple's Jade was third.

The eight-year-old has not run this season but will reappear in either the Red Mills Trial Hurdle at Gowran Park a week on Saturday or the Ladbrokes Ireland Boyne Hurdle at Navan the following day.
 
Missy Tata entered again at Warwick, they clearly want to run her here. Not that i think she'd win, if she came back and ran well, she'd certainly shorten a fair bit!
 
Mia's Storm at 25/1 e/w

Like the angle with her.... strongly run 2.5 miles, just as good a hurdler as she is chaser (despite in my head her being a better chaser, figures don't back that up)

Fell on 2 of her 4 chase starts, hurdles last time beating If You Say Run off top weight and goes well fresh.


1 pt ew 28/1 (lads)
 
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Kevloaf said:
Mia's Storm at 25/1 e/w

Like the angle with her.... strongly run 2.5 miles, just as good a hurdler as she is chaser (despite in my head her being a better chaser, figures don't back that up)

Fell on 2 of her 4 chase starts, hurdles last time beating If You Say Run off top weight and goes well fresh.


1 pt ew 28/1 (lads)
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2m4f? That’d suit her even better though
 
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Kevloaf said:
Mia's Storm at 25/1 e/w

Like the angle with her.... strongly run 2.5 miles, just as good a hurdler as she is chaser (despite in my head her being a better chaser, figures don't back that up)

Fell on 2 of her 4 chase starts, hurdles last time beating If You Say Run off top weight and goes well fresh.


1 pt ew 28/1 (lads)
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....Gary Nutting’s selection for this on the ATR website.
 
As much as i think the UK mares division is boarding on useless in the majority, if there's a trainer to get one to go close it's Alan King!

Will she have enough toe for this though?
 
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jack1092 said:
As much as i think the UK mares division is boarding on useless in the majority, if there's a trainer to get one to go close it's Alan King!

Will she have enough toe for this though?
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Agree they’re all in Ireland:-)))
 
Not that I love a conspiracy or anything but I'm beginning to come round to the idea of Stormy Ireland being the one, and my somewhat overthought reasons behind it are as follows:

1) She has better form than Laurina (as Scooby has kindly pointed out aplenty).

2) She ran in the better (Triumph) of the 2 races at the festival last season, in splitting herself and Laurina up, yet she is now looking like taking up the easier option this season, I think either of the 2 would have won the Mares' Novice last season.

3) Laurina is the hype, I think she is being used (as a smokescreen possibly) for that reason alone in the Champion Hurdle whilst SI takes a back seat in readiness for the Mares hurdle. Laurina won't just have to be special to win the Champion Hurdle, she will have to be one of the greatest ever horses. This just her second race outside novice company taking on the reigning Champion Hurdler & the current best Mare in training, in that respect I think WPM will be looking at an easier option for this powerful owner, and SI represents that in the Mares Hurdle, the following race after the CH.

4) IF (and it's looking highly likely) Apples Jade goes for the Champion Hurdle then WPM has the race at his mercy he can pick and choose which one he wants to win it, cue SI. Was hoping to see Benie Des Dieux before the festival, that looks unlikely now, so can only assume SI may well be the one, she has been out twice this season already putting up 2 solid performances.

I realise this is just theory, and second guessing WPM is a big risk, but it makes sense in my head and NRNB 8/1 for SI in this race is quite frankly a no brainer IMO.
 
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Not that I love a conspiracy or anything but I'm beginning to come round to the idea of Stormy Ireland being the one, and my somewhat overthought reasons behind it are as follows:

1) She has better form than Laurina (as Scooby has kindly pointed out aplenty).

2) She ran in the better (Triumph) of the 2 races at the festival last season, in splitting herself and Laurina up, yet she is now looking like taking up the easier option this season, I think either of the 2 would have won the Mares' Novice last season.

3) Laurina is the hype, I think she is being used (as a smokescreen possibly) for that reason alone in the Champion Hurdle whilst SI takes a back seat in readiness for the Mares hurdle. Laurina won't just have to be special to win the Champion Hurdle, she will have to be one of the greatest ever horses. This just her second race outside novice company taking on the reigning Champion Hurdler & the current best Mare in training, in that respect I think WPM will be looking at an easier option for this powerful owner, and SI represents that in the Mares Hurdle, the following race after the CH.

4) IF (and it's looking highly likely) Apples Jade goes for the Champion Hurdle then WPM has the race at his mercy he can pick and choose which one he wants to win it, cue SI. Was hoping to see Benie Des Dieux before the festival, that looks unlikely now, so can only assume SI may well be the one, she has been out twice this season already putting up 2 solid performances.

I realise this is just theory, and second guessing WPM is a big risk, but it makes sense in my head and NRNB 8/1 for SI in this race is quite frankly a no brainer IMO.
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Bennie des dieux goes for the red mills hurdle beforehand. .
I have nothing between her and stormy Ireland personally. Maybe benie des dieux could Nick her on the line or win a length. But wouldn't be suprised at all if SI wins. .
 
Scooby91 said:
Bennie des dieux goes for the red mills hurdle beforehand. .
I have nothing between her and stormy Ireland personally. Maybe benie des dieux could Nick her on the line or win a length. But wouldn't be suprised at all if SI wins. .
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Maybe I am being too sentimental as I love SI anyway, I was a keen backer of her last season in the Triumph (:() but was so happy she got up that day. Fingers crossed she can go on to better things this time around :)

That Auteuil form puts her right in this though.
 
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