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J.L.T Novices Chase 2019

Scooby91 said:
I'm happy with the jlt with 365 but
Claimantakinforgan is still 18/1 any race if you use the boost.... for anyone who's iffy on target.
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Cheers Scooby, seems a fair price when you think both races will likely cut up
 
Hurricane fly said:
Champagne Classic entered over 2m4 on Saturday at Punchestoen

As is...Mengli Khan

Pingshou also entered in a 2m4 race at Cheltenham on Friday, would have thought he’d be going to the Arkle but interesting entry
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Too early in the season to read too much into entries and trips.

I'd also expect Pingshou to go for the Arkle but don't think an every over 2m4f rules it out. Same for Mengli
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Sorry to be boring, but not many other suggestions coming through, so personally I think Voix Du Reve will be the Mullins horse in this, as I have said previously.

I know he's not quite as 'sexy' as the others mentioned but ultimately could come on a bundle for going over fences and certainly looked like he took to them as well as anything on his chase debut.

He's not devoid of some level of Chletenham form and I am happy to forgive his run at this years festival as quite frankly his whole campaign was a mess, but that previous festival form when he would have at least pushed Diego Du Charmil close if not beat him, before falling, is not form to take lightly.

He'll certainly be overpriced currently and won't be 25/1 come the day of the festival should he make it.

There is also some confidence behind the breeding side of it too to suggest chasing will be a positive step for him, the sire, Voix Du Nord, also sired Vroum Vroum Mag (unbeaten over fences), Taquin Du Seuil (won this race as a novice chaser), Vibrato Valtat (Quirky, but made a fair novice chaser, winning some weakish Grade 1 & 2 races, albeit not at the festival) & Vaniteux (another who was a fairly consistent novice chaser, winning and placing in Graded races, as well as looking like finishing 2nd to Douvan in the Arkle at the festival before falling). Unfortunately there is not a whole heap on the Dams side to be as confident about, and obviously it goes without saying that Voix Du Nord has also had his fair share of poor progeny too, however Voix Du Reve has shown better form over hurdles than the majority of them already so I have no doubt he has a little class about him and it will show through over fences.
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Happy with that today. More to come. Definitely one held back for a fence. Messed around a lot over hurdles last season.
 
Scooby91 said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/grechparkin?lang=en


Summed up pretty well on claimantakinforgan. Its plain to see He finishes all his races really well.
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To me that says if he wins impressively tomorrow he will stay over two miles and maybe if hes beat he will go 2m 4. You can read it both ways. Obviously there is a difference of opinion between trainer and owner. Surely the trainer knows more and Nicky will stick to his guns especially if he wins tomorrow.
 
jonthehammer said:
To me that says if he wins impressively tomorrow he will stay over two miles and maybe if hes beat he will go 2m 4. You can read it both ways. Obviously there is a difference of opinion between trainer and owner. Surely the trainer knows more and Nicky will stick to his guns especially if he wins tomorrow.
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From what iv spoken to them before. The jlt is in mind. A win over 2 in a trial and the arkle is still open. then they can go on to the next One, If he's beat over 2 pre chelt he won't be going arkle. I hope he wins tomorrow and in this field he's every chance . Keep going and they can have a look at the fields near the time. Like finians Oscar last year, as they step up in grade you'll see if he needs further. Iv no doubt he'll improve for a step up in trip.
 
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Kalashnikov vs claimantakinforgan would settle this debate lol

Would that be on the cards?
 
Kevloaf said:
https://twitter.com/GrechParkin/status/1064199099136819201

Grech & Parkin
‏ @GrechParkin

Pleased with Claimantakinforgan. Step up in trip is where we will be heading next. We live for another day. JLT bound! #GrechParkin
4:50 PM - 18 Nov 2018
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He needs holding up too, he was never comfortable going that pace today.

You'll see a different horse held up over 2 1/2 for a change of gear. You'd need to mind.
 
Good and bad news for JLT backers today Id say. Pleased the Arkle will be off the agenda, but its takes a big leap of faith to see him winning any race on the back of that run. He's got plenty of time though.
 
Just in case anybody is interested:

Messire Des Obeaux is 25/1 (WH) any race - but best priced 16/1 for this race.
 
Kevloaf said:
Just in case anybody is interested:

Messire Des Obeaux is 25/1 (WH) any race - but best priced 16/1 for this race.
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Kev, I think someone put up recently that the horse is out for the season again. May have been mistaken or dreamt it but thought that was what was said.
 
Just re-watched Voix Du Reve win the Craddockstown over the weekend, I must say I was more impressed than when I first viewed the race. He clouted a few fences, having set a pretty quick tempo, yet still pulled clear to win by 7 lengths when the challengers came, which the race was basically set up for. He jumped better on debut, where he raced over 2m 2f and had a little more time to take his fences, that said, if they iron out his jumping with the tempo he sets I would fear the potential of an Arkle run for him, may cover this angle with free bets myself. Both PP & BFSB have him @ 14/1 for the Arkle, which is a worry as can still get him at 25's. I'm still waiting on them to add him to the JLT though, something they have been reluctant to do so far!

I'm unsure where Willie/Supreme rate Cadmium, maybe Archie can help us out there, but he has an official rating of 147 (taken with a pinch of salt) in Ireland, and he was 9 lengths behind VDR giving him 3lb.

The field was only small but had 3 other LTO winners, including Cadmium who won a Grade 3 at the same track, so you could say the early form is strong.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Kev, I think someone put up recently that the horse is out for the season again. May have been mistaken or dreamt it but thought that was what was said.
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Scooby91 said:
Yes was me, he's out.
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Where had you seen that scooby - knew I'd read it somewhere but can't find anything.
 
Scooby91 said:
From Alan king himself.
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Via what medium...

I want to ask WH for my money back if he's been declared out for the season :highly_amused:
 
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