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2023 Handicaps

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  • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

    He won the race twice with Un Temps Pour Tout and a few years earlier with An Accordian, a record that makes him the most successful trainer in the race of the modern era.
    I've picked him for the Ultima in the tipping comp but I wouldn't be shocked if he went Kim Muir, a race Pipe also has history with, the key is whether Pipe wants to keep his 139 rating intact and whether 139 gets into the Ultima as you suggest...
    Do you know which amateur Pipe would have access to for the Kim Muir?

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    • Originally posted by TCH29 View Post

      The Kim Muir makes a lot more sense than the NHC, and I’d back him in that.

      I just think that form line is really strong and he is the one best in at the weights in related form so why not go for the Ultima.

      And there is some hyperbole with what I’d saying about Pipe but I do think he’s not the sharpest of trainers, nor best race planners, and has not maximised this horses earnings.
      What amateurs does he use ?

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      • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

        Do you know which amateur Pipe would have access to for the Kim Muir?
        Well he managed to secure the services of Jamie Codd for Junior and The Package to win the Kim Muir, whether he'd have the ability to pull that stroke these days I have no idea..

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        • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

          Well he managed to secure the services of Jamie Codd for Junior and The Package to win the Kim Muir, whether he'd have the ability to pull that stroke these days I have no idea..
          Yeah, I think in recent years it's not been easy for him to secure a good one. (horse and rider)

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          • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

            Well he managed to secure the services of Jamie Codd for Junior and The Package to win the Kim Muir, whether he'd have the ability to pull that stroke these days I have no idea..
            He might get a good one for Gericault Roque though with his course form and good Hennessy run. I'm sure Scudamore wants him in the Ultima though.

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            • Read today that Fugitif, who sluiced in on Welsh National day, is going to run next either at the Lingfield millions (unsure which race) or the Clarence House if it's soft conditions. Obviously he's got no chance in a Clarence house but connections said after this it would be on to Cheltenham, and the Plate 'looking the ideal race for him'. He got put up 10lb for his win at Chepstow to 143, but since finishing 2nd to Amarillo Sky at Cheltenham in October, AS has gone and won again and the 3rd from that race Grey Diamond runs this Saturday at Sandown, just because we know the Plate is his target, 16-20/1 seems fair.

              I've also just noticed in this race So Scottish has been cut to 6-7/1 across the board, that's a poor price surely? I know connections won this with The Shunter and seen a couple of 'Tipsters' put it up this week at 14-16/1, but that's an almighty shift in the market to cause that price crash.

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              • Originally posted by Speedy17 View Post
                Read today that Fugitif, who sluiced in on Welsh National day, is going to run next either at the Lingfield millions (unsure which race) or the Clarence House if it's soft conditions. Obviously he's got no chance in a Clarence house but connections said after this it would be on to Cheltenham, and the Plate 'looking the ideal race for him'. He got put up 10lb for his win at Chepstow to 143, but since finishing 2nd to Amarillo Sky at Cheltenham in October, AS has gone and won again and the 3rd from that race Grey Diamond runs this Saturday at Sandown, just because we know the Plate is his target, 16-20/1 seems fair.

                I've also just noticed in this race So Scottish has been cut to 6-7/1 across the board, that's a poor price surely? I know connections won this with The Shunter and seen a couple of 'Tipsters' put it up this week at 14-16/1, but that's an almighty shift in the market to cause that price crash.
                Yeah Fugitf on the up and I get why you'd chance your arm in the clarence. Often small field and the potential to nick handy money running 3rd/4th but caveat to that is you can get hammered for being near the winner. Just look at Marracudja ridden to pick up what he could got within 8l and up 10lbs on route to the fez. Not the ideal scenario if you want to be winning a hcap at the fez.

                Yeah So Scottish about the first hcap horse many would be eying up given last run and yard etc, price already like he's a confirmed runner and going straight there but more than likely a race on route so just sit and see what entries pop up with him now.
                Last edited by Outlaw; 5 January 2023, 09:50 PM.

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                • I see JP has bought So Scottish

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                  • Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
                    I see JP has bought So Scottish
                    Same, and this is why his price has crashed!

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                    • Well that certainly makes the "confirmed runner" tumbling price grumble aside. Still 6/1 this far out when we probably seem him again before the fez not much risk vs reward there.

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                      • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post
                        Well that certainly makes the "confirmed runner" tumbling price grumble aside. Still 6/1 this far out when we probably seem him again before the fez not much risk vs reward there.
                        No, But his price won't get any better. pretty obvious route now i'd say.
                        Morebattle hurdle, protect chase mark then to the festival for the plate. 100,00 bonus, plus punting winnings, race winnings .purchase covered I would've thought.
                        Too good to be true?? probably

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                        • Where's the JP insider gone from last year could have told us he'd gone to JP so we could have got some nice prices

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                          • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post

                            No, But his price won't get any better. pretty obvious route now i'd say.
                            Morebattle hurdle, protect chase mark then to the festival for the plate. 100,00 bonus, plus punting winnings, race winnings .purchase covered I would've thought.
                            Too good to be true?? probably
                            Prob won't but can't get a great deal shorter with entries and marks to come with possible novices lurking etc. It's not a reason I'd play just because it won't get any bigger this far out personally.

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                            • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

                              Prob won't but can't get a great deal shorter with entries and marks to come with possible novices lurking etc. It's not a reason I'd play just because it won't get any bigger this far out personally.
                              Add in that you might get 6 places on the day ...

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                              • Gaelic Warrior fever is on the rise again.
                                Apparently the symptoms are no socks, waistcoats and tweed caps. Any combination.

                                I'm going back to wearing a mask.

                                I mentioned a few weeks back that this horse could be a Bad one to follow.

                                A lot of people wanting money back on him.

                                Into 3-1 from 6's with Hills for the Pipe !!!
                                And 5-1 for the county from 8's !!!

                                Also some of the antepost prices taking a tumble for those with prices up PP & BF into 7's from 10's in the pipe.

                                Bit daft
                                The Munster hurdle entry looks less ambitious though so I can see why some will have got involved.

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