Mares Chase 2021

[Saxon Warrior]

I don't think Honeysuckle will be part of the conversation between Henderson and the JP team.

She 8lbs higher than she was going into the Coral Cup. I'd have her favourite too turn up there again as I'm cynical.

She absolutely will go back to that race, if he can keep that weight.
Her first entry and run will tell us a lot more.

[Lobos]

She absolutely will go back to that race, if he can keep that weight.
Her first entry and run will tell us a lot more.

She may be with the wrong trainer though for keeping her weight where it is.

[Saxon Warrior]

She may be with the wrong trainer though for keeping her weight where it is.

agreed, if her first run is a win then she could be out of handicaps.

[TigerRolllllll]

La Bag Au Roi might be a shout for this

Was going very well in Browns when unseated and this race might be an obvious target

[Lobos]

La Bag Au Roi might be a shout for this

Was going very well in Browns when unseated and this race might be an obvious target

Sadly she bloody hates Cheltenham.

[fatherjohn]

seen that sky still have ptko at 12s any race. their prices are normally much slimmer than hills but that has tempted me to top up once more

[Lobos]

seen that sky still have ptko at 12s any race. their prices are normally much slimmer than hills but that has tempted me to top up once more

That has to be the best value TWAR price out there. Way overpriced in view of her potentially going down the Mares Chase route. Also, with the amazing Arkle stat re the next seasons Champion Chase and the fact she'll get that ridiculous 7lb allowance in the Champion Chase, plus the fragile top 2 in the market, she looks to have a serious chance taking the 2mile crown. Not forgetting she could also go Ryanair. She has already won over 2 1/2 miles and would get the sex allowance in that race as well. 3 very good options for a horse unbeaten around Cheltenham. If anyone on here can see a negative in her please step forward because I can't !!!

[Kevloaf]

20/1 - QMCC
12-1 Any Race


8 points is quite a sacrifice for anyone that anticipates she goes for the QMCC.
The owners OPTED for the Arkle despite knowing they could have been chucked in the Novice Handicap Chase.

I personally would be staggered if they went for anything but the Grade 1 QMCC, so personally I would definitely NOT want the TWAR price 8 points shorter.


If she does hit road bumps along the way, she'd perhaps be interesting as an Arkle winner in the other races, but I don't feel like it's outstanding value myself, as she'll need to be picking up losses along the way.... and any horse with a string of losses gets less interesting the closer to get to graded races at festivals.



I'm not saying 12/1 TWAR is a bad price but it certainly isn't obvious to take over 20/1 QMCC. I have backed her at 25/1 for the Tingle Creek, so I'm clearly a fan

[Istabraq]

20/1 - QMCC
12-1 Any Race


8 points is quite a sacrifice for anyone that anticipates she goes for the QMCC.
The owners OPTED for the Arkle despite knowing they could have been chucked in the Novice Handicap Chase.

I personally would be staggered if they went for anything but the Grade 1 QMCC, so personally I would definitely NOT want the TWAR price 8 points shorter.


If she does hit road bumps along the way, she'd perhaps be interesting as an Arkle winner in the other races, but I don't feel like it's outstanding value myself, as she'll need to be picking up losses along the way.... and any horse with a string of losses gets less interesting the closer to get to graded races at festivals.



I'm not saying 12/1 TWAR is a bad price but it certainly isn't obvious to take over 20/1 QMCC. I have backed her at 25/1 for the Tingle Creek, so I'm clearly a fan

Is this still PTKO ?
It baffles me how, as an Arkle winner, so many people believe she could target a G2 race no-one knows what race conditions she could face.
Should this happen then for me the system has failed racing, creating a lower grade/class race for Mares when this Mare in particular has already proved herself against the boys ?
Connections need shooting if that’s their plan...

[fatherjohn]

20/1 - QMCC

I'm not saying 12/1 TWAR is a bad price but it certainly isn't obvious to take over 20/1 QMCC. I have backed her at 25/1 for the Tingle Creek, so I'm clearly a fan

I this this is my angle. if she is going for qmcc surely she goes tingle creek and I think the record of any horses that don't win tingle creek (I.e try but fail rather than not appear at all) is awful.

so ill take the 20s for what could be a less competitive race while believing the owners will put her in the race that offers the best chance of a cheltenham win. if she ends up here I would think she would be a fairly short price and ive covered the lost 8 points if she wins the tingle creek and qmcc beckons.

this made sense in my head even if not when I typed it!

[Kevloaf]

I this this is my angle. if she is going for qmcc surely she goes tingle creek and I think the record of any horses that don't win tingle creek (I.e try but fail rather than not appear at all) is awful.

so ill take the 20s for what could be a less competitive race while believing the owners will put her in the race that offers the best chance of a cheltenham win. if she ends up here I would think she would be a fairly short price and ive covered the lost 8 points if she wins the tingle creek and qmcc beckons.

this made sense in my head even if not when I typed it!

Haha, yeah I do see what you're saying. If she does win the Tingle Creek, you've already made a bit of hay... which counters the 8 points less despite it likely 'confirming' her target.


I suppose an issue there may be that she may not come over for the Tingle Creek (which is my theory but obviously not confirmed) or when she does get declared (or is publically aimed at it) she won't be 20/1... so you'll need a bit of luck either way.

As we all do

[TigerRolllllll]

Sadly she bloody hates Cheltenham.

That’s my point.....was going very well and looked poss winner til near end

I spoke to trainer at a preview before and my sense was he was really up for it and was gaming real go.....think he may go for this race too and horse is good, plus stuff 2.5 is ideal

[Lobos]

That’s my point.....was going very well and looked poss winner til near end

I spoke to trainer at a preview before and my sense was he was really up for it and was gaming real go.....think he may go for this race too and horse is good, plus stuff 2.5 is ideal

She fell about a mile out. I don't think she appreciates the hill and undulations at all.

[Lobos]

Stayed up studying this race for 2 hours last night trying to find us the winner. Honeysuckle not going chasing and the consensus on here is that Benie and PTKO will be going elsewhere so that's 3 big guns gone. Most agree that Salsaretta is a false fav and I agree so we need to look further down. Several look promising but lack experience and others like Le Bague just don't like Cheltenham. Then I came across Shattered Love. A mare who has been chasing at the highest level for several seasons against the boys with creditable success. She is already a festival winner being the only Mare ever to win the JLT (Marsh) and has ran in the Ryanair and the Gold Cup so she is hugely experienced. All good so far but now for the interesting part........she has raced against her own sex in 4 of her chases and won all 4. In fact, throughout her career she has ran in 12 Mares races in total.....winning 8 , placed in 3 and unplaced in 1at the end of a very long season. A quite incredible record. She is currently rated 150 which I reckon makes her the highest rated horse if we take out Benie and PTKO which will help to offset any graded penalties. Gordon says that 2 1/2 miles is her best distance and we know that he will send her to the race she has the best chance in. The Mares Chase is it. She has become my 70th festival AP bet so far at 25/1 with B365 so you guys who like cash out can Wade in with me !!

[Kevloaf]

Stayed up studying this race for 2 hours last night trying to find us the winner. Honeysuckle not going chasing and the consensus on here is that Benie and PTKO will be going elsewhere so that's 3 big guns gone. Most agree that Salsaretta is a false fav and I agree so we need to look further down. Several look promising but lack experience and others like Le Bague just don't like Cheltenham. Then I came across Shattered Love. A mare who has been chasing at the highest level for several seasons against the boys with creditable success. She is already a festival winner being the only Mare ever to win the JLT (Marsh) and has ran in the Ryanair and the Gold Cup so she is hugely experienced. All good so far but now for the interesting part........she has raced against her own sex in 4 of her chases and won all 4. In fact, throughout her career she has ran in 12 Mares races in total.....winning 8 , placed in 3 and unplaced in 1at the end of a very long season. A quite incredible record. She is currently rated 150 which I reckon makes her the highest rated horse if we take out Benie and PTKO which will help to offset any graded penalties. Gordon says that 2 1/2 miles is her best distance and we know that he will send her to the race she has the best chance in. The Mares Chase is it. She has become my 70th festival AP bet so far at 25/1 with B365 so you guys who like cash out can Wade in with me !!

Sounds like Leg 1 of the Lobos Life Changer is in the bag....