Queen Mother Champion Chase 2021

[Saxon Warrior]

I'm surprised so many people care about Granateen to be fair.... (bear with me)

Exeter Haldon Gold Cup winners do boast a certain 'Politilogue' in the roll of honour, but horses like Janika, God's Own, Sir Valentino, Vibrato Valtat don't portray a shortlist of horses that'll be going off single figures in QMCC's....they read like a who's who of horses I back at big prices when building a book though - or start fancying when they're still big prices NRNB etc...(God's Own in particular )




I'll chose to ignore the 20/1 at this stage though....and instead think "oh, didn't Moonlighter give a nice boost to Rouge Vif" who walloped him 14L in the last Grade 2 he ran in.

Rouge Vif romped in off 156 and Greanateen just got up over 151, so I am thinking the official ratings next Tuesday will leave Greanateen around half a stone behind RV.

RV 12/1 for the Tingle Creek and Greanateen 8/1.
I suppose that is linked to trainer history in the race.

Also Chosen Mate’s form with Greanateen just got boosted by the latters win too.

[Kevloaf]

Rouge Vif romped in off 156 and Greanateen just got up over 151, so I am thinking the official ratings next Tuesday will leave Greanateen around half a stone behind RV.

RV 12/1 for the Tingle Creek and Greanateen 8/1.
I suppose that is linked to trainer history in the race.

Also Chosen Mate’s form with Greanateen just got boosted by the latters win too.

Well at those odds, if RV is odds against in the 'match bet' versus Graenateen I'll back that in the TC.

Chosen Mate didn't do enough on debut for me to care but it's not unreasonable he'll put up a much more impressive performance back chasing. Even if he does though, it leaves him below what I'd consider a decent chance of being single figures/winning a QMCC. At 25/1 I have no interest in him currently. I'd back him at 66/1

[Eggs]

It's logical, rather than straight to a grade 1.
But he's rated in that division now.
Might see Defi vs PTKO vs Rouge Vif

....Defi 16-1 with Hills to win Schloer and CC. Seems a bit stingy given 14-1 is readily available for the CC.

[Dessie the great]

What price is PTKO for that double? Cant find it on the website

[Eggs]

What price is PTKO for that double? Cant find it on the website

...I’ve not seen that particular bet requested at this stage.

[Lobos]

Put The Kettle On
She was unbelievable last season. She was busy all through the summer, she won four on the bounce. She was always a little bit free-going so, after she just got beaten by Robin De Carlow at Tipperary in October, we said we’d drop her back in trip to two miles. A few of the owners were going over to the Chetlenham November meeting, so we just said that we’d let her take her chance in the Arkle Trial there, and she won it. After that, we decided we’d have a go at the Arkle. Why not? We went there hoping, one of her big attributes is her jumping, and she was brilliant. She’s in great form now, and we’re aiming at the Shloer Chase at Cheltenham. After that, we’ll see. She has options, Kempton at Christmas, Ascot after Christmas, Leopardstown. She’s in great form.

[Lobos]

Cilaos Emery entered in Clonmel oil Chase next Thursday.

[Kevloaf]

Cilaos Emery entered in Clonmel oil Chase next Thursday.

A lively QMCC outsider. I have little doube he's a better horse than Chosen Mate.



I recall you taking the comments about him staying at 2 miles as gospel that he's staying hurdling?

[charlie]

A lively QMCC outsider. I have little doube he's a better horse than Chosen Mate.

I recall you taking the comments about him staying at 2 miles as gospel that he's staying hurdling?

I have little doubt too. CM is best priced what, 33's. I'd give 66's serious thought, let alone 33's.

[archie]

A lively QMCC outsider. I have little doube he's a better horse than Chosen Mate.



I recall you taking the comments about him staying at 2 miles as gospel that he's staying hurdling?

To be fair, the Clonmel Oils is 2m4f so I'm not sure what the entry tells us.

[Lobos]

I have little doubt too. CM is best priced what, 33's. I'd give 66's serious thought, let alone 33's.

I'd not touch him at all at the moment. Still no news re his injury.

[Lobos]

A lively QMCC outsider. I have little doube he's a better horse than Chosen Mate.



I recall you taking the comments about him staying at 2 miles as gospel that he's staying hurdling?

Looks like they've come to their senses and chosen the correct path.

[Kevloaf]

To be fair, the Clonmel Oils is 2m4f so I'm not sure what the entry tells us.

Hopefully, that he's ready to run over fences.

Perfectly feasible he ends up a Ryanair horse too.

Or not good enough for either.

[jono]

Tempted to add A Plus Tard (16/1) before he runs tomorrow. The race should have absolutely zero bearing on the Champion Chase, but any win would surely see a point or 2 clipped off his price. And he's already at the very borderline of being too short to bother.

An entry in the Betfair Chase and recent updates ("I wouldn’t be opposed to trying him over three miles again at some point") have shown that connections may well be leaning towards 3 miles and not 2. But for now he sticks to 2 miles and it is likely, what with their desired specific race conditions that instead he ends up following on the exact same route as last year "There is every chance that he could go down a similar path to what he did last season"

His beating of Chacun Pour Soi over Christmas was put down to CPS needing the run, as many Mullins runners did. Whilst that may well have been the case, it was still a 3 length beating of the current favourite for the race where we are assuming the roles would be reversed in a a rematch. The same scenario is likely to play out for the race once again - APT going into the Leopardstown race with a run under his belt against CPS on his seasonal debut. Last year wasn't a one off where some of Mullins runners have needed the run at that time. If the same result were to play out again then you'd have to think they'd be pretty mad not to seriously think of sticking at 2 miles.

Whilst i'd agree with a recent comment Charlie made on Cheveley Park maybe not being too fussed on multiple runners in the same race, we have no evidence to prove it yet. If it were to be the case though then theres plenty of signs suggesting Allaho will be Ryanair bound come March. May well be nothing but it could be a consideration.

Soft ground would likely be needed for them to stick with the 2 mile trip at the festival but where as that wouldn't have often been the case, the last 3 festivals and runnings of the race have been on soft ground.

I've said previously how it's a race i'm keen to try and take on the top 2 in the market. Only on age and fragility. But it's no denying they are clear of the rest in terms of a 172 rating. On paper the novices with the likes of Faikr D'ourdaires (159) and Put the Kettle On (154) have plenty to find at this stage, albeit they'll have their chance to do so this season. Rouge Vif (164) has closed the gap but i'm sceptical on that rating being a true reflection in time.

A Plus Tard has run to 166 and 167 in his last 2 runs, is still only 6 years old. There's no guarantee a lot of the market will run to that level, nor will Altior at 11 years old be able to retain running into the 170's.

[Quevega]

Tempted to add A Plus Tard (16/1) before he runs tomorrow. The race should have absolutely zero bearing on the Champion Chase, but any win would surely see a point or 2 clipped off his price. And he's already at the very borderline of being too short to bother.

An entry in the Betfair Chase and recent updates ("I wouldn’t be opposed to trying him over three miles again at some point") have shown that connections may well be leaning towards 3 miles and not 2. But for now he sticks to 2 miles and it is likely, what with their desired specific race conditions that instead he ends up following on the exact same route as last year "There is every chance that he could go down a similar path to what he did last season"

His beating of Chacun Pour Soi over Christmas was put down to CPS needing the run, as many Mullins runners did. Whilst that may well have been the case, it was still a 3 length beating of the current favourite for the race where we are assuming the roles would be reversed in a a rematch. The same scenario is likely to play out for the race once again - APT going into the Leopardstown race with a run under his belt against CPS on his seasonal debut. Last year wasn't a one off where some of Mullins runners have needed the run at that time. If the same result were to play out again then you'd have to think they'd be pretty mad not to seriously think of sticking at 2 miles.

Whilst i'd agree with a recent comment Charlie made on Cheveley Park maybe not being too fussed on multiple runners in the same race, we have no evidence to prove it yet. If it were to be the case though then theres plenty of signs suggesting Allaho will be Ryanair bound come March. May well be nothing but it could be a consideration.

Soft ground would likely be needed for them to stick with the 2 mile trip at the festival but where as that wouldn't have often been the case, the last 3 festivals and runnings of the race have been on soft ground.

I've said previously how it's a race i'm keen to try and take on the top 2 in the market. Only on age and fragility. But it's no denying they are clear of the rest in terms of a 172 rating. On paper the novices with the likes of Faikr D'ourdaires (159) and Put the Kettle On (154) have plenty to find at this stage, albeit they'll have their chance to do so this season. Rouge Vif (164) has closed the gap but i'm sceptical on that rating being a true reflection in time.

A Plus Tard has run to 166 and 167 in his last 2 runs, is still only 6 years old. There's no guarantee a lot of the market will run to that level, nor will Altior at 11 years old be able to retain running into the 170's.

So ?
You backing him or not Jojo ?