J.L.T Novices Chase 2019

[TimRiggins]

Discussing Hardline and Voix Du Reve is like watching people fight over a bounty and a snickers in the leftover celebrations tubs.

Move on lads, they're both below grade 1 winning class this season

Snickers are straight out of the top drawer

[Faugheen_Machine]

Someone said the other day Bailey has been quoted as saying it's RSA or nothing for Vinndication. Can anyone verify that?

I heard one of the podcasts say this but haven't seen it in writing anywhere.

[ComplyOrDie]

Discussing Hardline and Voix Du Reve is like watching people fight over a bounty and a snickers in the leftover celebrations tubs.

Move on lads, they're both below grade 1 winning class this season

Whilst that may be tongue in cheek that is a soft comment to make, seeing as Hardline has won a Grade 1 already this season and VDR a Grade 2, beating Grade 1 winner, Hardline, in the process.

You do realise current JLT favourite, Lostintranslation has only won a Grade 2 so far this season, as has Vinndication.

Quite frankly this race is still very much up in the air, and could be won by any number of horses still, no solid standout, a bit like the Arkle I guess, but unlike the RSA.

[Quevega]

Had a speculative one on Kildisart for this at 33-1 Sky nrnb, if it thins out like last year this horse's two runs so far haven't been bad and he may have met decent animals, probably end up in a handicap but worth tying up for me each way.
probably coffee cream for some. I'm sure.

[ComplyOrDie]

Had a speculative one on Kildisart for this at 33-1 Sky nrnb, if it thins out like last year this horse's two runs so far haven't been bad and he may have met decent animals, probably end up in a handicap but worth tying up for me each way.
probably coffee cream for some. I'm sure.

Could be a shrewd shout that Quevega, Munir & Souede will want something in the race with the misfortunes of Master Dino & Messire Des Obeaux, don't know if they have many others they could go at for this, so he could be a decent shout.

[boopa]

Discussing Hardline and Voix Du Reve is like watching people fight over a bounty and a snickers in the leftover celebrations tubs.

Move on lads, they're both below grade 1 winning class this season

Hardline has already won a grade 1. He is top class.

[Scooby91]

Could be a shrewd shout that Quevega, Munir & Souede will want something in the race with the misfortunes of Master Dino & Messire Des Obeaux, don't know if they have many others they could go at for this, so he could be a decent shout.

They also had carribean boy who's out for the season too.

[ComplyOrDie]

They also had carribean boy who's out for the season too.

Been a bit unlucky eh!

Can see Kildisart running a fair race with improvement expected and a fair price as pointed out by Quevega.

[Kevloaf]

Whilst that may be tongue in cheek that is a soft comment to make, seeing as Hardline has won a Grade 1 already this season and VDR a Grade 2, beating Grade 1 winner, Hardline, in the process.

You do realise current JLT favourite, Lostintranslation has only won a Grade 2 so far this season, as has Vinndication.

Quite frankly this race is still very much up in the air, and could be won by any number of horses still, no solid standout, a bit like the Arkle I guess, but unlike the RSA.

Haha yeah, I had the celebrations analogy in my head for ages and wanted an excuse to use it

My real thoughts on them both won't add much more than you've both discussed... I have missed the 'bigger' prices, and the prices they are now just seem fair, rather than standout. So for now I can look past them both

Hardline has already won a grade 1. He is top class.

Yes, I was being silly - sorry

[Kevloaf]

Someone said the other day Bailey has been quoted as saying it's RSA or nothing for Vinndication. Can anyone verify that?

I heard that too (on FFP) but wasn't verified.... I haven't sen it written or from Kim Bailey - it'd be a big dent in my thought process if it's factual!

[boopa]

On the bare form LR and Hardline price discrepancy is wrong. There's not much between them at all.

[doctorwu]

Whilst that may be tongue in cheek that is a soft comment to make, seeing as Hardline has won a Grade 1 already this season and VDR a Grade 2, beating Grade 1 winner, Hardline, in the process.

You do realise current JLT favourite, Lostintranslation has only won a Grade 2 so far this season, as has Vinndication.

Quite frankly this race is still very much up in the air, and could be won by any number of horses still, no solid standout, a bit like the Arkle I guess, but unlike the RSA.

Fully concur.

[doctorwu]

Hardline has already won a grade 1. He is top class.

Boopa,
When Hardline floats up that hill to victory in the JLT they'll be much egg on faces

[Kevloaf]

You have selective reading on these forums doc.

You should get that checked out



Who has the 60+ for Hardline, I think that's what is putting me off

[boopa]

I'm not on big for the JLT, yet. I have him in the Arkle 65/1 for a nice return but my best winner for that is Cilaos Emery now with rolling doubles at 80's and 50's.

Hardline is underestimated probably because he wasn't a top hurdler. Clearly a horse that has improved for a fence. I just love how he jumps, efficient and makes ground with ease. He doesn't travel hard on the bridle. A straightforward horse that will love that hill! LR is another that has improved over fences, maybe that's why he's 8/1 and not 4/1. Mortal another one.