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Triumph Hurdle 2020

Kevloaf said:
I don't know how you can not be impressed by Solo yesterday.

If Allmankind or Goshen won the Adonis in that style yesterday would you take a dim view of it?

The fact that AMK and Goshen have been out earlier in the season means they've had chances for their form to be franked.

In terms of the prices though, Solo has gone fav because of recent bias, and niggles around 'quirks' with the others?

Solo and Fujimoto Flyer were both good bets upon entries for this race IMO, but I'm not counting any money just yet, as it's impossible to dispute Allmankind or Goshen wouldn't have been able to do the same yesterday.
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It was impressive. but there's definitely been an over reaction IMO

Allmankind has won a better race in a far more impressive fashion and is currently a bigger price, so I take a dim view of the price not the performance.

If Allmankind can put 18L on a horse rated 140 and 66L on a horse rated 135, I'd love to see what he would have done to that field yesterday.
 
The visual impression was impressive yesterday and the it was particularly the way he powered away up the straight. But when looking at the price in relation to others I do think that its worth pointing out who the trainer is. I know it isnt fashionable to suggest that PFN has had better juveniles than other trainers at the head of the market but its a fact and as such he will have an idea of where Solo sits, he also works him with better horses which should give him a much more accurate idea of the level he is operating at. You could tell by PFNs reaction that Solo is exceptional (for this point of his career) and must be showing them loads at home, but will obviously of been nervous about him being able to repeat it on the track.
All week the two at the head of the market for the Adonis were reasonably close and even 5 mins before the off FF was fav, thats all the great betting minds of the industry pouring over the french form could hardly split them on all known evidence and in fact decided that FF was a better horse under these conditions. But just before the off the money came from the stable, the ones who know exactly what they have and they were betting on if the homework could be replicated or was this to be another French import that would need to time to adjust.
That money should not be ignored in my opinion and once you marry that to the performance and the previous the stable has with Juveniles I think the 4/1 looks a great bet and as mentioned I think he will be around 2/1 on the day.
 
charlie said:
It was impressive. but there's definitely been an over reaction IMO

Allmankind has won a better race in a far more impressive fashion and is currently a bigger price, so I take a dim view of the price not the performance.

If Allmankind can put 18L on a horse rated 140 and 66L on a horse rated 135, I'd love to see what he would have done to that field yesterday.
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You don't really believe he's 66L better than 135 though do you:highly_amused:

On the form AMK has shown, he'd have won yesterday as well. You're kind of using that to knock Solo's price now which is fine bit he's not one to rule out (which i'm sure you're not)
 
Kevloaf said:
If Allmankind or Goshen won the Adonis in that style yesterday would you take a dim view of it?
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If Goshen had won it like that yesterday all that would have been picked up by seemingly everyone, is how bad his jumping would have been :highly_amused:

They just ignore his performances for his jumping :devilish:
 
As the great Shaun Ryder once said.
He's got balls bigger than King Kong.

Solo looked like a boss yesterday.
I believe he's still entire.
And so his relaxed professional demeanour is particularly admirable vs the squealing eunuch's and girls, running off and jumping in all directions.
 
Fascinating race though, IF solo is still there at the top of the hill, they could set the race up for him, you’d think having several front runners trying to make all that the pace will be relentless
 
Quevega said:
As the great Shaun Ryder once said.
He's got balls bigger than King Kong.

Solo looked like a boss yesterday.
I believe he's still entire.
And so his relaxed professional demeanour is particularly admirable vs the squealing eunuch's and girls, running off and jumping in all directions.
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Love it Quevega cant be many times Shaun Ryder has been quoted on a racing forum "First big suit on the moon and hes off to play golf, hole in one"
 
billymag said:
Love it Quevega cant be many times Shaun Ryder has been quoted on a racing forum "First big suit on the moon and hes off to play golf, hole in one"
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:highly_amused::encouragement: Legend
 
I love the front of this market, it should be an absolutely intriguing race, and from that I hope that something of quality emerges to stick around for a few future Champion Hurdles. :encouragement:
 
Kevloaf said:
You don't really believe he's 66L better than 135 though do you:highly_amused:

On the form AMK has shown, he'd have won yesterday as well. You're kind of using that to knock Solo's price now which is fine bit he's not one to rule out (which i'm sure you're not)
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No of course not, I was using the winning distance as a means to emphasise that AMK has beaten better horses by more significant distance.

On the form AMK has shown he'd have won as well? Just as well?

One of the first things I have said is 'he's the one I am worried about' so definitely not ruled out :)
 
TheEagleHasLanded said:
Fascinating race though, IF solo is still there at the top of the hill, they could set the race up for him, you’d think having several front runners trying to make all that the pace will be relentless
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Solo was able to pick up off his pace yesterday. Basically, he had the best track position.

This idea that he is just going to lob along on the bridle and then pick up the others when they 'burst' just might not happen. They might not come back or he might use up so much petrol staying in touch that there is no finishing kick in the tank. There was little pressure on his jumping yesterday. Will he jump as well if he comes under pressure to stay in touch? Will he actually find under pressure? Plenty of questions still to answer.
 
kinloch brae said:
Solo was able to pick up off his pace yesterday. Basically, he had the best track position.

This idea that he is just going to lob along on the bridle and then pick up the others when they 'burst' just might not happen. They might not come back or he might use up so much petrol staying in touch that there is no finishing kick in the tank. There was little pressure on his jumping yesterday. Will he jump as well if he comes under pressure to stay in touch? Will he actually find under pressure? Plenty of questions still to answer.
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Disagree with that
 
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See the state of them horses in behind Jesus what a poor race that was on Saturday one furlong in and half the field were pulling there heads chuckling away solo beat nothing makes the market all man kind for me also happy days! Can even see I slight improvement with AMK Cheltenham experience in the bag also
 
Over reaction by the bookies, put yourself in their shoes would you be brave enough to price him at 6s.
They were reacting to overwhealming demand by punters the 9-2 and 4s was being snapped up and they were forced to react.
The times were not too bad either nothing earth shattering.
Solo 3m 54.60s (slow by 12.60)
Song for someone 3m 50.55s (slow by 8.55s) 5yr old
Highway one o two 3m 53.23s (slow by 11.23s) 5 yrold
 
Solo was beaten by a horse in France that couldn’t win a race in Bangor against horses rated 125. Or are we just to forget that form because it was in France ??
 
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