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Stayers Hurdle 2020

Of these "other" entries that'll all magically appear......

That's the Cleeve?



Only one of them can win it.



Hardly a new battalion of horses for Paisley Park to worry about?


Thistlecrack would absolutely decimate Reserve Tank, I hope they meet :beaten:




Love it when I disagree with scooby, doesn't happen often enough :highly_amused:
 
Kevloaf said:
Of these "other" entries that'll all magically appear......

That's the Cleeve?



Only one of them can win it.



Hardly a new battalion of horses for Paisley Park to worry about?


Thistlecrack would absolutely decimate Reserve Tank, I hope they meet :beaten:




Love it when I disagree with scooby, doesn't happen often enough :highly_amused:
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The cleeve is where the uk nov chasers revert.
Theres the irish trial too.


I also think paisley park and ITCF are closely matched and way too far apart in the betting, due to paisley park having an easy ride imo. Is he an absolute superstar, or as he had no valid opposition ??



Paisley park.

29Nov19 New*24f Soft 4y+ H(50K)

11-6[8/15Fav]1st of 5,*1L to Thistlecrack

Aidan Coleman

Rated 169





14Mar19 Che*24f Good to Soft 4y+ H(325K)

11-10[11/8Fav]1st of 18,*2.75L to Sam Spinner

Aidan Coleman

Rated 168






26Jan19 Che*24f Good to Soft 5y+ H(60K)

11-6[10/3Fav]1st of 12,*12L to West Approach

Aidan Coleman

Rated 156






22Dec18 Asc*24f Soft 4y+ H(100K)

11-7[8/1]1st of 11,*2L to West Approach

Aidan Coleman

Rated 152





24Nov18 Hay*24f Good 4y+ HcapHdl(100K)

11-12[4/1]1st of 7,*0.5L to Shades Of Midnight

Aidan Coleman

Rated 147






28Oct18 Ain*20f Good 4y+ HcapHdl(27K)

11-12[4/1CFav]1st of 11,*2.5L to Lygon Rock

Aidan Coleman

Rated 140
 
West approach
Sam spinner
Thistlecrack.


I'll be suprised if, ifthecapfits cant beat them atleast as easy.
 
Scooby91 said:
West approach
Sam spinner
Thistlecrack.


I'll be suprised if, ifthecapfits cant beat them atleast as easy.
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If The Cap Fits has only beaten Call Me Lord and Roksana though.... and Old Guard?

Beaten twice by Verdana Blue and beaten by Vision Des Flos.



I would back If The Cap Fits, (haven't so far) but Paisley Park would beat any of those horses easily enough for me.

I think I'd back Thistlecrack over any of them as well (obviously depends what price he was but you know what I mean)
 
Kevloaf said:
If The Cap Fits has only beaten Call Me Lord and Roksana though.... and Old Guard?

Beaten twice by Verdana Blue and beaten by Vision Des Flos.



I would back If The Cap Fits, (haven't so far) but Paisley Park would beat any of those horses easily enough for me.

I think I'd back Thistlecrack over any of them as well (obviously depends what price he was but you know what I mean)
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Your just naming random 2m form. Verdana bue is a seriously good horse on decent ground

. Call me lord just won a champion hurdle trial and ITCF just beat him over a trip short of his best.

He won at aintree despite clouting the last. The aintree race was stronger than the Cheltenham one.

Paisley park has beaten nothing.
 
Cap Fits is unexposed over the trip for sure and is the most likely danger.
The odds obviously reflect that.
Not a proven stayer though like the Fav.
But could be very good over the trip (breeding is ok)
 
Kevloaf said:
If The Cap Fits has only beaten Call Me Lord and Roksana though.... and Old Guard?

Beaten twice by Verdana Blue and beaten by Vision Des Flos.



I would back If The Cap Fits, (haven't so far) but Paisley Park would beat any of those horses easily enough for me.

I think I'd back Thistlecrack over any of them as well (obviously depends what price he was but you know what I mean)
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Paisley park would be call me lord over 2m3?
Never.
 
quevega said:
Cap Fits is unexposed over the trip for sure and is the most likely danger.
The odds obviously reflect that.
Not a proven stayer though like the Fav.
But could be very good over the trip (breeding is ok)
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Stays all day. Clouted the last at aintree, and was unbelievable To get back up for me.

That 2m3 win against call me lord was very good, over a trip too short. Hes massively on the incline for me. And his forms well above what paisley park had done going into this race last year.
 
Scooby91 said:
Your just naming random 2m form. Verdana bue is a seriously good horse on decent ground

. Call me lord just won a champion hurdle trial and ITCF just beat him over a trip short of his best.

He won at aintree despite clouting the last. The aintree race was stronger than the Cheltenham one.

Paisley park has beaten nothing.
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Not random... that's his literal last 6 runs ITCF had, and all the horses he beat or that beat him.
 
Scooby91 said:
Stays all day. Clouted the last at aintree, and was unbelievable To get back up for me.

That 2m3 win against call me lord was very good, over a trip too short. Hes massively on the incline for me. And his forms well above what paisley park had done going into this race ast year.
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He's had one go at aintree though
And never ran at cheltenham.

"unbelievable" ?
 
Scooby91 said:
Paisley park would be call me lord over 2m3?
Never.
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Perhaps not, but that doesn't enhance ITCF's 3m form, or make Paisley Park's 3m form worse.


Call Me Lord is shite.

The CH trial was a trial only in name, he beat Ballyandy by a neck.


Paisley Park would beat Ballyandy by a neck over 6f, let alone 2m1 :highly_amused:



and when Paisley Park and Call Me Lord did meet, at Ascot, PP beat him 19L?
I reckon he'd beat him over 2m3f.
 
Kevloaf said:
Not random... that's his literal last 6 runs ITCF had, and all the horses he beat or that beat him.
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Would you not agree his forms better than paisley parks, this time last year before the cleeve?

I honestly think It will be very close in the cleeve. Will paisley park get up to do him on the line, possibly so. But ITCF will be infront at the last and wont be stopping.
 
Kevloaf said:
Perhaps not, but that doesn't enhance ITCF's 3m form, or make Paisley Park's 3m form worse.


Call Me Lord is shite.

The CH trial was a trial only in name, he beat Ballyandy by a neck.


Paisley Park would beat Ballyandy by a neck over 6f, let alone 2m1 :highly_amused:
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Your miles off.
And that's made me pull the trigger on ITCF. We shall see.


*****
Not true I cant get on...
 
Scooby91 said:
Your miles off.
And that's made me pull the trigger on ITCF. We shall see
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I'll wait for a special on ITCF winning cleeve and then stayers.
Like Kev.

If he can't beat him in cleeve, then he won't win the stayers.
 
Scooby91 said:
Your miles off.
And that's made me pull the trigger on ITCF. We shall see.


*****
Not true I cant get on...
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When Paisley Park and Call Me Lord did meet, at Ascot, PP beat him 19L?
I reckon he'd beat him over 2m3f.


Your lucky that the bookies are saving you money.



You'd definitely be better off getting a related special anyway if he does go Cleeve.
 
quevega said:
I'll wait for a special on ITCF winning cleeve and then stayers.
Like Kev.

If he can't beat him in cleeve, then he won't win the stayers.
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Not correct, not every horse runs to form every day, bigger field in the stayers. Possibly different ground conditions.

If , ITCF loses a length or 2 in the cleeve. It wont mean he cant win the stayers. And vice versa.
 
Kevloaf said:
When Paisley Park and Call Me Lord did meet, at Ascot, PP beat him 19L?
I reckon he'd beat him over 2m3f.


Your lucky that the bookies are saving you money.



You'd definitely be better off getting a related special anyway if he does go Cleeve.
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Falls at the last infront. Gets mugged on the line.

And hes 7/2.
 
Scooby91 said:
Not correct, not every horse runs to form every day, bigger field in the stayers. Possibly different ground conditions.

If , ITCF loses a length or 2 in the cleeve. It wont mean he cant win the stayers. And vice versa.
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Will it be level weights for those two in the cleeve ? Think so.

It'd be good enough for me I reckon, but of course it would depend on the usual factors. And then repriced accordingly.

Paisley goes off odds on I reckon, unless we get a really strong reverter like Minella Indo or Champ.
 
quevega said:
Will it be level weights for those two in the cleeve ? Think so.

It'd be good enough for me I reckon, but of course it would depend on the usual factors. And then repriced accordingly.

Paisley goes off odds on I reckon, unless we get a really strong reverter like Minella Indo or Champ.
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Yeh paisley odds on, no doubt.

I'd back ITCF in a match bet with PP at a shade over 2/1 so I might aswell back at 8s for the stayers.

I honestly see it as very close between the 2 and if the cap fits winning but he has to have a clear round. he may get nabbed but I'll be shocked if hes beaten 3L or more.
 
i'b be tempted nrnb with ITCF, if he's beat comfortably by Paisley, i think there would be a fair chance he'd wait for Aintree
 
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