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Stayers Hurdle 2020

Exactly how I see it Charlie.

I'm toying with doing the double, Laurina (Mares), BDD (Stayers), but currently holding back on it.

I'd also cash Bapaume out (the only cash bet I have placed in the race so far) as he won't get near BDD but I think she could win the Stayers.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Exactly how I see it Charlie.

I'm toying with doing the double, Laurina (Mares), BDD (Stayers), but currently holding back on it.

I'd also cash Bapaume out (the only cash bet I have placed in the race so far) as he won't get near BDD but I think she could win the Stayers.
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Double @ 55/1. Just used by free bet with Skybet on this.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Exactly how I see it Charlie.

I'm toying with doing the double, Laurina (Mares), BDD (Stayers), but currently holding back on it.

I'd also cash Bapaume out (the only cash bet I have placed in the race so far) as he won't get near BDD but I think she could win the Stayers.
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77/1 the double with Hills. Benie a massive 10/1 with them for Stayers which is huge. Mullins is very keen to take on the boys so I reckon they'll come here after taking in the Ladbroke chase on route.
 
Lobos said:
77/1 the double with Hills. Benie a massive 10/1 with them for Stayers which is huge. Mullins is very keen to take on the boys so I reckon they'll come here after taking in the Ladbroke chase on route.
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I like the positive thinking Lobos.
Here's me thinking she'll be on the beach sipping Slow Gin's till March, before slipping off her flipflops and winning the Mares hurdle (this time hopefully after one or two fewer drinks)
 
Lobos said:
Mullins is very keen to take on the boys so I reckon they'll come here after taking in the Ladbroke chase on route.
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Do you have a link to that quote or are you editorialising his comment after Auteuil, " I wouldn’t have any problem running against the geldings with her."
 
I remember BDD being prominent in the Ryanair markets along with a few others at the start of the year but ended up in the Mares which was where she was expected to end up racing. I personally think both Laurina and BDD will end up in the Mares hurdle race, they have different owners so I can’t see it being a massive dilemma for Mullins and it means it’s a race he is almost certain to win which he has often stressed is his priority at the Festival. I should point out I have no hard evidence to back this up other than my own opinion but as a betting man I think both Laurina and BDD will end up in the Mares hurdle.
 
I just remembered that BDD won that race in Auteuil in May which was races over 3m 1f so I have changed my mind about BDD racing in the Stayers and also following you on that double for Laurina, it looks a very good bet!! :triumphant:
 
With Willie it's all about placing the horses to win as many races as possible. This placement depends on many things including the quality of opposition and how the final gallop before declarations went. 5 minutes before declaration cut-off is too early to be playing Mullins bingo with anything other than free bets so over 5 months is playing with a very large fire.

Benie Des Dieux could go to a number of races at Cheltenham. They may want closure on last year's fall. They may want closure on Annie Power's Stayers attempt. They may run in the Ladbrokes and win well which would bring the Ryanair or Gold Cup into the mix.

Laurina's owner apparently wants to stay over hurdles and Willie wants to send her over fences. With most owners you'd be 90% confident that Willie would get his way but I'm not quite so sure of the dynamic with this owner. Whatever way it goes, the feeling within the yard is that Laurina has some way to go to be talked of in the same category as Benie even though she is rated higher.
 
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Archie is right, Mullins bingo this far out is playing with fire, luckily for me I don't mind, but anyone who is not aware of 'Mullins bingo' should not probably not be betting this far out anyway, as I think over the years on this forum it has definitely been a recurring subject year on year, so you should know the risks attached.

From what I can gather, Benie is up there with Annie Power, in terms of ability, and certainly more versatile, taking on the bigger obstacles as well. I can certainly see RR & WPM wanting to make amends for Annie being beaten in the Stayers by having a crack at it with BDD.

IF Jared gets his own way I see no reason why Laurina won't take on Mares race, so no reason for WPM to have his two best Mares in one race. It all makes for an interesting season ahead, and of course it only takes one injury for either or to end up elsewhere too.
 
I got 70’s with WH so happy to commit a few quid as a speculative bet just incase it happens but agree it’s very early to be getting carried away.
 
I don't really get why Laurina is as highly regarded as she is. As far as I can see she's won a load of easy races beating nothing of any quality and when she finally stepped up last she was well beaten.
 
taylorch1990 said:
I don't really get why Laurina is as highly regarded as she is. As far as I can see she's won a load of easy races beating nothing of any quality and when she finally stepped up last she was well beaten.
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Arguably the second best Mare in training IMO, and I think we've all realised (some knew before others) that she's not Champion Hurdle level. But against the Mares, without Benie, surely she is plenty good enough, she's beat most of the Irish lot already.

Collateral form would give her the beating of Roksana too.
 
I appreciate there will be a contingent that think taking positions on any Mullins horses now is playing bingo, and in most instances I completely agree, but there is also part of me that looks at the sad state of ante post prices, the opportunity loss of not taking into account everything we know about Mullins, Ricci and what they have done historically, that makes me think it’s worth getting involved occasionally, if the case is strong enough. I think BDD is an exception. She has arguably the best piece of 3m hurdle form in Europe and Willie has loads of mare options. The owner has aimed his last super mare at the race before, and both owner and trainer have come out and said publicly that they are not afraid of taking on the boys. That’s not bingo at 10/1 in the current 3m hurdling division.
 
It's all down to that treble of:
- will it turn up fit and well?
- will it run in the selected race?
- what SP would you expect if all the horses at the top of the betting showed up?

If you think that 10/1 is a very good price for the treble then it's not bingo. Not for me this early though.
 
Am I the only one that thinks she'll run in the mares again? I think it'll take some frightening performances ahead of the festival for connections to aim her at the stayers.

She has unfinished business in the mares; it's a grade 1 and she was going to romp home this year. It'll be the mares or Ryanair/Gold Cup imo.

I've been wrong plenty of time before though:devilish:
 
For what it's worth, at this moment I'd have it
Evens Mares
6/4 Stayers
9/1 Other
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Am I the only one that thinks she'll run in the mares again? I think it'll take some frightening performances ahead of the festival for connections to aim her at the stayers.

She has unfinished business in the mares; it's a grade 1 and she was going to romp home this year. It'll be the mares or Ryanair/Gold Cup imo.

I've been wrong plenty of time before though:devilish:
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You are not alone -:))
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Am I the only one that thinks she'll run in the mares again? I think it'll take some frightening performances ahead of the festival for connections to aim her at the stayers.

She has unfinished business in the mares; it's a grade 1 and she was going to romp home this year. It'll be the mares or Ryanair/Gold Cup imo.

I've been wrong plenty of time before though:devilish:
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Don't get me wrong, the mares is the most likely at this stage but where do you think they would aim Laurina? Been found out in the Champion Hurdle and stays hurdling. Screams mares and only mares. Would they run her against BDD in the Mares too? Beating De Bon Coeur over 3m is frighteningly good form.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Am I the only one that thinks she'll run in the mares again? I think it'll take some frightening performances ahead of the festival for connections to aim her at the stayers.

She has unfinished business in the mares; it's a grade 1 and she was going to romp home this year. It'll be the mares or Ryanair/Gold Cup imo.

I've been wrong plenty of time before though:devilish:
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I'd take 10-1 that the Mares Hurdle is the first time we see her on a racecourse.

I've been wrong plenty more times though :p
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
She has unfinished business in the mares;
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I'd say she doesn't as she has already won the race previous, bit different to the Annie Power scenario (not saying that is what you are comparing it with).

They went Stayers > Mares with Annie Power, think it's a high possibility they go the other way with Benie, though like Archie, I'd make the Mares the favourite of the options should it be a book.

Hoping they go the Stayers route to liven it up a bit, I think PP has it to lose, unless she turns up. WPM has plenty for the Mares, so would be a waste IMO, but I'm a forum contributor and he's one of the greatest NH trainers ever!
 
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