Ryanair Chase 2018

[charlie]

Un de sceaux the most underrated jumps horse in training imo. Nothing Coney Island does at Ascot changes Ryanair for me.

Gold Cup looks open and if not SJ then second season chaser most likely winner.

Completely agree.

 

[Birds Nest]

Lovely horse Un de seaux, the most honest horse in training, although I think Special Tiara would give him a race as the most underrated around Cheltenham.

 

[Scooby91]

I'm not sure who's under rating un de sceaux though.
In his conditions he's very difficult to beat.
On gd to soft or better he's vulnerable in true grade 1s. And beatable with a good horse.

 

[Birds Nest]

That's a fair point Scooby, I think Un de seaux is underrated at the minimum trip though, he went to Cheltenham 2 years ago with a bigger reputation than Min has now. It would still take a very special grade 1 horse to beat even now over that trip.

 

[Scooby91]

That's a fair point Scooby, I think Un de seaux is underrated at the minimum trip though, he went to Cheltenham 2 years ago with a bigger reputation than Min has now. It would still take a very special grade 1 horse to beat even now over that trip.

In his conditions.

 

[Kevloaf]

I'm not sure who's under rating un de sceaux though.
In his conditions he's very difficult to beat.
On gd to soft or better he's vulnerable in true grade 1s. And beatable with a good horse.

In his conditions.

I think you can quite easily flip that and say "when other horses have THEIR conditions, they could beat UDS"...

Fortunate for the majority of horses that Cheltenham usually has "good" in the going

 

[Scooby91]

I think you can quite easily flip that and say "when other horses have THEIR conditions, they could beat UDS"...

Fortunate for the majority of horses that Cheltenham usually has "good" in the going

It's more his action imo making him considerably better the way he gets through the ground. And possibly his enthusiasm and will to win to keep it up.

The other horses can't go the gallop uds can on soft/ heavy the ones that can, can't keep it up.

 

[Birds Nest]

It's only an opinion and probably irrelevant anyway, he was only put up in distance to avoid douvan, UDS was rated 172 over 2m and is 168 over this trip..Altior hasn't broken 170 yet..That 172 was on good ground, I think those Ruby comments in 2016 where said in shock..I think good to soft is his ideal conditions , any softer just allows the likes of fox Norton to out stay him..admittantly the 172 was with sprinter , but the 3rd that day went on to Frank that rating the next year. But as I said , I get what your saying and I respect your logic..

 

[Kevloaf]

It's more his action imo making him considerably better the way he gets through the ground. And possibly his enthusiasm and will to win to keep it up.

The other horses can't go the gallop uds can on soft/ heavy the ones that can, can't keep it up.

Exactly....so in their conditions they have an advantage.

 

[Istabraq]

I think this could be the race of the festival.
Can see several running scared of Altior in the Champion Chase and heading here...

 

[Birds Nest]

Absolutely agree, getting really excited about this race, could potentially have 6 or 7 160+ horses fighting this out...Hope Mrs jefferson sends cloudy here to his right trip too..Put At mad in fighting UDS for the lead. What a race we will have..Would have liked to see road to respect come here too..

 

[Kevloaf]

Feasibly we could see:

Un De Sceaux
Top Notch
Fox Norton
Waiting Paitently
Balko Des Flos
Yorkhill
Coney Island
Frodon

I love Un De Sceaux but 5/2 would look short in that field wouldn't he.

 

[Scooby91]

Feasibly we could see:

Un De Sceaux
Top Notch
Fox Norton
Waiting Paitently
Balko Des Flos
Yorkhill
Coney Island
Frodon

I love Un De Sceaux but 5/2 would look short in that field wouldn't he.

I dont have anything against uds but bar frodon, compare that line up to last years. Even frodon should ha e the beating of aso

 

[Kevloaf]

I dont have anything against uds but compare that line up to last years.

Yeah I completely agree, I've only got 2 pts on UDS at 8.4 so he's not even going to put me in profit for the race.

As I've said all the way through, I want to see the field and the ground for this race.... I think it is one of the hardest ante-post races to pick a winner in.... I've got plenty onside at the moment and I'll adjust accordingly when the final declarations are out.

Going to be a belter... similar to the Stayers race on the same day...no stand out candidate in either

 

[Al Ferof]

Cloudy Dream e/w bet of the week for me if he comes here.

I reckon he’ll be a good few pounds better on spring ground and thought he ran a belter last year in the Arkle.

Hemmings has a good record in this race thanks to Alberta’s Run, and Cloudy Dream would have a decent chance here.

Pretty sure Malcom Jefferson was adamant he was a good ground horse and was bullish before the Arkle.

 

[Scooby91]

Yeah I completely agree, I've only got 2 pts on UDS at 8.4 so he's not even going to put me in profit for the race.

As I've said all the way through, I want to see the field and the ground for this race.... I think it is one of the hardest ante-post races to pick a winner in.... I've got plenty onside at the moment and I'll adjust accordingly when the final declarations are out.

Going to be a belter... similar to the Stayers race on the same day...no stand out candidate in either

And the JLT .
I'd be confident I have all 3 won. But they're very open betting races.

 

[Kevloaf]

Cloudy Dream e/w bet of the week for me if he comes here.

I reckon he’ll be a good few pounds better on spring ground and thought he ran a belter last year in the Arkle.

Hemmings has a good record in this race thanks to Alberta’s Run, and Cloudy Dream would have a decent chance here.

Pretty sure Malcom Jefferson was adamant he was a good ground horse and was bullish before the Arkle.

That is interesting Al Ferof.... looking strictly at his 2m4f form he's been beaten by Smad Place (who I adore but wouldn't be up to winning a Ryanair this season) and Flying Angel, who again, isn't up to this grade?

Open to loads more improvement than Smad clearly but would defintiely need to. Always finds one too good... and looking at the likely runners, you'd need about 5 ahead of him in the betting to under perform?

 

[Birds Nest]

Don't forget valseur lido could end up here, good ground at Cheltenham he's a player in any race, cloudy was my place bet last year, think he's a bit skinny in this as it's a harder race to place in than last year's Ankle . Ar mad is interesting at 40s for a place, been screaming out for 2 and a half on decent ground is rated similar to top notch.

 

[Garrison Savannah]

Wouldn’t back Ar Mad at a left handed track with stolen money

 

[Birds Nest]

That's one of the reasons hes 40 -1, although he's preference for right hand tracks was the idea behind using plumpton as his Ankle trial, he did the usual on the first circuit then just stopped jumping out to the right and went straight. That trial confirmed him in the Arkle. Moore thought that good enough for a crack going left handed before injury put him on the easy list.Now I understand it's still a leap of faith but the price reflects that I think..