Ryanair Chase 2018

[Faugheen_Machine]

I'm of the view it's Ricci, not Mullins, driving the split

I agree with you Ista. Ricci is the catalyst behind it.

 

[jono]

I'm of the view it's Ricci, not Mullins, driving the split

I think you're right to a degree, but that Ruby has an incredibly strong influence and he will always favour the split too. (so it doesn't necessarily come down to who the owner is)

 

[Kevloaf]

I'm of the view it's Ricci, not Mullins, driving the split

I agree with you Ista. Ricci is the catalyst behind it.

So you honestly believe that Yorkhill would run this year, against either Douvan or Faugheen?

Lets say

Faugheen goes Champion Hurdle
and
Douvan makes it to the Champion Chase

are you telling me, Yorkhill would be in either of those races?

Honestly guys... honestly...tell me that Mullins/Ruby wouldn't split them up - when the Ryanair is an option?

I'd give it 1/100 they'd be in different races, if they all made it.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

Yorkhill is versatile Kev and could go close in several races, but in the scenario you describe he may well end up in the Ryanair and line up against UDS or/and Djakadam.
The yard have riches and some...

 

[TimRiggins]

So you honestly believe that Yorkhill would run this year, against either Douvan or Faugheen?

Lets say

Faugheen goes Champion Hurdle
and
Douvan makes it to the Champion Chase

are you telling me, Yorkhill would be in either of those races?

Honestly guys... honestly...tell me that Mullins/Ruby wouldn't split them up - when the Ryanair is an option?

I'd give it 1/100 they'd be in different races, if they all made it.

That's the million dollar question.

I'm tempted to go all in e/w on Douvan, as I don't think he's going anywhere near Cheltenham, unless working the house down.

 

[Kevloaf]

Yorkhill is versatile Kev and could go close in several races, but in the scenario you describe he may well end up in the Ryanair and line up against UDS or/and Djakadam.
The yard have riches and some...

UDS has always been treated below top top class by connections IMO. Avoided Cheltenham when he was unbeaten over hurdles and stepped up to the Ryanair last year when 2m he has only been beaten by SS!

Last year, with Douvan unfortunately flopping, Un De Sceaux would have won the Champion Chase if he'd have been allowed to be in it. He's a better horse than Special Tiara on literally all known form.... if Mullins/Walsh DIDN'T split them up, I am confident they'd have still won at the festival, but it'd have been the CC rather than Ryanair....

The fact is, they split Douvan and UDS as they (rightly!) assumed they could win two races! Mullins had no other strong Ryanair horse that year, but UDS, having come 2nd to Sprinter Sacre in the CC the season before, and then the next season winning the Tingle Creek and Clarance House over 2miles, stepped up in distance?.... That surely makes no sense... if UDS was in a different yard.... would he have gone for the Ryanair? 100% NO! - not on that prep.


The yard do have incredible riches, and they split them up accordingly

So I see what you are saying, Yorkhill might end up against UDS... but that is because UDS isn't regarded as top class by connections

 

[Scooby91]

UDS has always been treated below top top class by connections IMO. Avoided Cheltenham when he was unbeaten over hurdles and stepped up to the Ryanair last year when 2m he has only been beaten by SS!

Last year, with Douvan unfortunately flopping, Un De Sceaux would have won the Champion Chase if he'd have been allowed to be in it. He's a better horse than Special Tiara on literally all known form.... if Mullins/Walsh DIDN'T split them up, I am confident they'd have still won at the festival, but it'd have been the CC rather than Ryanair....

The fact is, they split Douvan and UDS as they (rightly!) assumed they could win two races! Mullins had no other strong Ryanair horse that year, but UDS, having come 2nd to Sprinter Sacre in the CC the season before, and then the next season winning the Tingle Creek and Clarance House over 2miles, stepped up in distance?.... That surely makes no sense... if UDS was in a different yard.... would he have gone for the Ryanair? 100% NO! - not on that prep.


The yard do have incredible riches, and they split them up accordingly

So I see what you are saying, Yorkhill might end up against UDS... but that is because UDS isn't regarded as top class by connections

I think you over rate uds kev . They knew he had no chance against a sound douvan and only scraped infront of special tiara the year before on decent ground . Hed been campaigned over further in France over hurdles early season to success at the mid range trip. And the race was a very light one in the ryaniar.

 

[Kevloaf]

I think you over rate uds kev . They knew he had no chance against a sound douvan and only scraped infront of special tiara the year before on decent ground . Hed been campaigned over further in France over hurdles early season to success at the mid range trip. And the race was a very light one in the ryaniar.

You are agreeing with my point .... UDS was split that season because they thought Douvan was better.

Doesn't matter how highly i rate UDS, That's not what I'm debating with the others.


I do think he'd have won last years race though ... because he's better than special tiara and foxy over 2m

 

[Scooby91]

You are agreeing with my point .... UDS was split that season because they thought Douvan was better.

Doesn't matter how highly i rate UDS, That's not what I'm debating with the others.


I do think he'd have won last years race though ... because he's better than special tiara and foxy over 2m

Agreed ofcourse they were split to potentially win both races on the basis that uds wouldn't beat douvan. Uds may well have won but I wouldn't be sure on that ground. Not much point debating that one because we will never know .

The ryaniar trip wasn't going into the unknown though. He won the prix de la barka with a very simular run style.

He may have got the 3m1 1/2 But for the ridiculous decision to run blue Dragon (top class over 2m3) by his own connections who goes off like a scolded cat and lit un de sceaux right up from an early stage.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

The way I viewed it was Willie will know whether Yorkhill is better than UDS, personally I think he is, though I do love UDS, and on that basis Top Notch was within a length of Yorkhill at last years festival, in which case he would have the beating of UDS, assuming Yorkhill is better than UDS of course, why would Willie send a horse he believes will lose a race when he has one in Yorkhill that has the beating of that one (Top Notch) on known form?

There are, of course, other horses in the race, but Top Notch is no mug, and IF UDS is not rated at least as high as Yorkhill then collaterally he should have problems beating Top Notch.

 

[archie]

It would be extremely dangerous to assume that Willie will know whether Yorkhill is better than UDS. I'd be very surprised if they've ever galloped together competitively. Mullins bingo comes with a huge health warning. When people get it wrong they often complain about being put away by connections but I'm here to tell you that no-one can be sure until declaration time.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

It would be extremely dangerous to assume that Willie will know whether Yorkhill is better than UDS. I'd be very surprised if they've ever galloped together competitively. Mullins bingo comes with a huge health warning. When people get it wrong they often complain about being put away by connections but I'm here to tell you that no-one can be sure until declaration time.

Been playing Mullins bingo for 3/4 years now, and I am still alive to tell you about my losses :highly_amused: I always try and second guess him, probably because the first time I ever did I got it right (with Faugheen & Vautour), but it was less complicated back then, now it's become a 'thing'.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

UDS has always been treated below top top class by connections IMO. Avoided Cheltenham when he was unbeaten over hurdles and stepped up to the Ryanair last year when 2m he has only been beaten by SS!

Last year, with Douvan unfortunately flopping, Un De Sceaux would have won the Champion Chase if he'd have been allowed to be in it. He's a better horse than Special Tiara on literally all known form.... if Mullins/Walsh DIDN'T split them up, I am confident they'd have still won at the festival, but it'd have been the CC rather than Ryanair....

The fact is, they split Douvan and UDS as they (rightly!) assumed they could win two races! Mullins had no other strong Ryanair horse that year, but UDS, having come 2nd to Sprinter Sacre in the CC the season before, and then the next season winning the Tingle Creek and Clarance House over 2miles, stepped up in distance?.... That surely makes no sense... if UDS was in a different yard.... would he have gone for the Ryanair? 100% NO! - not on that prep.


The yard do have incredible riches, and they split them up accordingly

So I see what you are saying, Yorkhill might end up against UDS... but that is because UDS isn't regarded as top class by connections

I think this debate has probably run its course but I was slightly surprised by some of your comments here Kev.
I think I read somewhere recently that UDS has won 8 G1s, one less than Faugheen, and there is no other horse in the Mullins yard with more G1s to their name, so I can't buy into the argument that UDS has been treated below top class by connections.

I have no idea where UDS will land in March but it wouldn't surprise me if it was here, equally it wouldn't surprise me if Yorkhill or Min did as well, but I would very much doubt that Ricci would let Min and Djakadam take each other on, the VVM/Limini match up in the Mares last year was very much a break from tradition....

 

[Kevloaf]

I think this debate has probably run its course but I was slightly surprised by some of your comments here Kev.
I think I read somewhere recently that UDS has won 8 G1s, one less than Faugheen, and there is no other horse in the Mullins yard with more G1s to their name, so I can't buy into the argument that UDS has been treated below top class by connections.

I have no idea where UDS will land in March but it wouldn't surprise me if it was here, equally it wouldn't surprise me if Yorkhill or Min did as well, but I would very much doubt that Ricci would let Min and Djakadam take each other on, the VVM/Limini match up in the Mares last year was very much a break from tradition....

I'm not sure what is surprising? The fact he has won 8x G1's now, and hasn't been in a race against any horse of similar ability from his own stable perfectly backs up my opinion, in my opinion.

I agree that Ricci will split his up where he can, and with Min looking a 2m horse and Djakadam 3m the chances they both ran here would be very doubtful indeed.

Moving on then,

Interesting that the Ryanair is going to be worth more than the Stayers Hurdle... jono will be pleased Up to 400k soon enough, will they switch around the running order and have the Stayers Hurdle before it?

 

[archie]

UDS is the most loved horse in the yard because he always gives 100%

 

[Kevloaf]

UDS is the most loved horse in the yard because he always gives 100%

Good, should be more people's most loved IMO.... I think losing to Sprinter Sacre at odds on harmed his profile unfairly.

Who is your favourite horse in the yard archie out of interest.... as you have some involvement!

 

[archie]

Who is your favourite horse in the yard archie out of interest.... as you have some involvement!

That's very difficult.

Of mine, now that the blessed Airlie has moved on, I have high hopes for Shanning because a good mare will always find a good home.

Of the others, Faugheen probably gave me my favourite Cheltenham memory, Douvan has the most presence and Min and UDS the most personality.

 

[Scooby91]

Coney island 14/1 1/4 ew nrnb bog.

Looks huge to me for this . Had to take some of that.

 

[Kevloaf]

Coney island 14/1 1/4 ew nrnb bog.

Looks huge to me for this . Had to take some of that.

Interesting they've pushed him out from 8s NRNB...

Was praying for something like that but hadn't noted down the 39.0 I'd had for the Ryanair so wasn't as desperate, however... if Coney Island turned up he'd be a huge player. More than happy to go in at 14/1 e/w (doing it as I type)... but also quite happy that they might have pushed him out because the Gold Cup is the actual aim

No chance he goes off a 14/1 shot in this though, NO CHANCE.

 

[ryanh97]

Does anyone know any plans for Valseur Lido. I took the big price on the exchange when Scoob mentioned it a whole back