Ryanair 2020

[Kevloaf]

I can see allaho going gold cup aswell as lostintranslation think a plud tard should try the champion this year probably be a smaller field head of the market injury prone perfect opportunity! Min was lucky this years winning that race Townsend did a great steering job! My pick at the moment is samcro I just don’t see me winning a gold cup owners have delta work for gold cup the way he won the marsh was impressive only worry is do they go for the gold cup holding fire on this race! Defi is overpriced @20 but same dilemma with CC campaign

Was it that impressive?
He 'battled' past Melon who doesn't hav a clue how to win a race
and was better than a dinosaur in 3rd

 

[ComplyOrDie]

I think the Ryanair is rock hard to decide right now, I have 6 or 7 potential bets in the race, I need to narrow that down given the prices available.

I have the following for the top of the market:

Min - Just got home in front this season, will be 10 next season, that's a negative?, probably no improvement left, regression possible.

Samcro - 'Battled back' to get his head in front, although Melon doesn't seem to want to win, so how much did Samcro battle really. Just seen Kevs note about Faugheen being in proximity too which should be taken into account.

A Plus Tard - Couldn't get in front this season, possible improver, but would have expected to be ahead of Saint Calvados, another that can improve again. No reason for result to be reversed, currently.

Allaho - Likely overstretched (just) in the RSA, would be interested if he came here, but will he?

Melon - I'm not sure it's in his breeding but I'd prefer him out in trip, he seems to not win a battle, like ever, so possibly best over further, but has the ability for this IMO, just frustrating.

Saint Calvados - Current one that interests me the most, only going to be 8 next season, so still room for improvement. Had trainer doubts but they quickly disappeared after watching the performance in the Ryanair this season.

Defi Du Seuil - Got to come here after that s**t show in the QMCC. Always had doubts about him being a top level 2 mile chaser myself, won some weak renewals of G1's during the season that led to false hope, IMO. Interested when back up in trip.

Angels Breath - Can't help but feel a bit unlucky not to have made it to the Marsh. Would like an update on condition after a nasty injury, but if back to best could be interesting at a price.

Fakir D'Oudairies - QMCC. Have very little doubt at the moment he will not end up here.

Ryders Onthe Storm - Jumping causes me concern, it wasn't just the one he fell at. I think he struggled to go the pace and jump, but I could be wrong. Certainly has a fair level of ability, that I didn't give him credit for prior to the festival.


This is just me summarising the current market with notes I have made, and do make every season. I still end up backing ones I shouldn't mind :highly_amused:

I'm also sure some members will agree and disagree, as we all view these things differently

 

[Arkle]

From being pulled up out of breath at limerick to winning was impressive! Times would suggest they ran quicker than Ryanair (marsh 5.07 - Ryanair 5.19 given another furlong to go) thought if samcro hadn’t of went through that second last fence he would of won quite easily battled well Davy Russell spoke very highly of him recently I was always try and narrow a race down to 2-3 and he’s definitely in there if going this route

 

[Arkle]

My worry with angels breath is he finds nothing when asked could be another Charlie

 

[ComplyOrDie]

My worry with angels breath is he finds nothing when asked could be another Charlie

Wouldn't worry about him finding anything, until we know he is sound, otherwise he may not even make the track, which would be a real shame if that were the case.

Don't know if anyone on here has an update?

 

[Craigy14]

Got willhill to add lostintranslation to the market. Added him as 7-1 favourite..... not what I was hoping for

Even though it’s Tizzard can you really see them going for the Ryanair after finishing 3rd beaten 1 and a half lengths in a gold cup?

Imo absolutely no chance of that happening.

He ran a cracking race and was there with a chance, definitely be back next year and if they are sensible and miss the king George with him can see him being bang there again next year.

 

[Hardy Eustace]

From being pulled up out of breath at limerick to winning was impressive! Times would suggest they ran quicker than Ryanair (marsh 5.07 - Ryanair 5.19 given another furlong to go) thought if samcro hadn’t of went through that second last fence he would of won quite easily battled well Davy Russell spoke very highly of him recently I was always try and narrow a race down to 2-3 and he’s definitely in there if going this route

Thats it - will he go this route? Or will they be tempted for a crack at the GC? Would love to see him step up in trip myself. Certainly on my radar for both races.

 

[Kevloaf]

Got willhill to add lostintranslation to the market. Added him as 7-1 favourite..... not what I was hoping for

:highly_amused:

That is horrible.

His Any Race price is surely bigger than that?!

 

[Kevloaf]

From being pulled up out of breath at limerick to winning was impressive! Times would suggest they ran quicker than Ryanair (marsh 5.07 - Ryanair 5.19 given another furlong to go) thought if samcro hadn’t of went through that second last fence he would of won quite easily battled well Davy Russell spoke very highly of him recently I was always try and narrow a race down to 2-3 and he’s definitely in there if going this route

It was impressive in terms of winning a Marsh, not impressive as a piece of form looking at next years festival though you could argue?

Technically I'm just debating what your definition of 'impressive' is.

A Plus Tard was 'impressive' in winning the Novice Handicap Chase last year.

The RP comments back it up too....

Vautour's JLT win was impressive.
Black Hercules stayed on well.
Yorkhill kept on.
Shattered Love stayed on strongly.
Defi Du Seuil kept on strongly
Samcro just held on


With a view to the Ryanair, I don't think you can say it was particularly impressive. It's a nice piece of form depending on how highly you rate Melon as a Cheltenham horse, but it's not a piece of form that would put him down as the one to beat, in isolation.

 

[Craigy14]

My worry with angels breath is he finds nothing when asked could be another Charlie

One I’m definitely keeping an eye on but annoyingly paddy p clipped him from 33/1 to 20/1 I think it was.

I’m going on the basis of Henderson having 2 other runners for the gold cup in Santini and Champ.

He looked impressive in his 2 chase starts but need an update and even a run to pull the trigger in a single.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

I’ve said it plenty of time but this is the hardest non novice race to consider so far out, pretty much the entire field will be targeting the Champion Chase or Gold Cup (or some serious handicap cheating) and will only end up here if they don’t have pace/stamina for either of those trips...

 

[archie]

With a view to the Ryanair, I don't think you can say it was particularly impressive. It's a nice piece of form depending on how highly you rate Melon as a Cheltenham horse, but it's not a piece of form that would put him down as the one to beat, in isolation.

That's about right. The line is the only place that matters but Melon was in front everywhere but the line. I don't think that either horse was reluctant to win. Melon has previously caught a tartar each year at the Festival rather than dogged it and, just like Min, his turn may come.

In terms of this race, you'd have to say that they both have the same sort of chance but neither may be good enough to win. As a place bet, Melon would be more attractive.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

In terms of this race, you'd have to say that they both have the same sort of chance but neither may be good enough to win. As a place bet, Melon would be more attractive.

That's been my route with Melon every festival :highly_amused: Also backed as well, but on the day I get involved in the place side of it on it's own.

Wasn't much of a price in the Supreme, mind.

 

[Hardy Eustace]

:highly_amused:

That is horrible.

His Any Race price is surely bigger than that?!

5s with hills - sheer pikeyness.

 

[Joleg]

I can see allaho going gold cup aswell as lostintranslation think a plud tard should try the champion this year probably be a smaller field head of the market injury prone perfect opportunity! Min was lucky this years winning that race Townsend did a great steering job! My pick at the moment is samcro I just don’t see me winning a gold cup owners have delta work for gold cup the way he won the marsh was impressive only worry is do they go for the gold cup holding fire on this race! Defi is overpriced @20 but same dilemma with CC campaign

That's one loooong sentence

 

[Kevloaf]

That's one loooong sentence

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I reckon it was four sentences?

 

[OverTheLast]

To be fair it would absolute madness imo if they sent Allaho for a Gold Cup tilt.

 

[SharpHat]

Even though it’s Tizzard can you really see them going for the Ryanair after finishing 3rd beaten 1 and a half lengths in a gold cup?

Imo absolutely no chance of that happening.

He ran a cracking race and was there with a chance, definitely be back next year and if they are sensible and miss the king George with him can see him being bang there again next year.

He travelled through the race like a dream, jumping 2 out i really thought he was going to win it. But he didnt get up the hill... and i really cant see any reason why next year would be any different. If they go for the ryanair i think he'd win it, 2 and a half round there would see him at his best IMO.

Having said that 7-1 at this stage for a race he probably wont run in is taking the piss.

 

[Yorkhill12]

To be fair it would absolute madness imo if they sent Allaho for a Gold Cup tilt.

K
Totally agree here, an aggressive front running ride on a course that seems to favour those up with the pace would make him the one to beat in the Ryanair imo definitely hasn't looked like he needed an extra 2.5 furlongs in his races so far to me!

 

[Arkle]

Allaho just turned 6 last month there’s room for improvement! I think he would win the Ryanair but I would be surprised if he didn’t go for the gold cup I think the owners would like a runner in it!