Ryanair 2020

[charlie]

Why are PP still 33/1 Monalee

Probably because he’ll go Gold Cup

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Probably because he’ll go Gold Cup

Yeah strongly suggests they know that's Plan A doesnt it.

Seem to remember them being undecided until the week before last year... ground could be a big factor. Just don't see how he can possibly stay the trip in a GC though

 

[Quevega]

Interesting to see if Magic Saint is declared in the 2m 4f handicap on New Years day.

Been looking on exchange to see if he's available for this or champion chase but he's not listed.
I think his run giving weight to Bun Doran the last time is pretty decent form and shows some improvement.
This horse reminds me a bit of horses like Frodon and ASO that ran in these sort of handicap races of big weights.
The form of which is often underestimated when compared to some of the graded races.

He might not run it now, as he might want to wait for a 2 mile graded race somewhere.
But we'll see.
Think I'll use another skybet freebie on it for the Queen mother seeing as Chacun didn't set the world alight on debut.
One or two of the favs miss the race and he'll be a player.

 

[jack1092]

Heck of a run from Saint Calvados off 157. Not in betting

 

[Quevega]

Interesting to see if Magic Saint is declared in the 2m 4f handicap on New Years day.

Been looking on exchange to see if he's available for this or champion chase but he's not listed.
I think his run giving weight to Bun Doran the last time is pretty decent form and shows some improvement.
This horse reminds me a bit of horses like Frodon and ASO that ran in these sort of handicap races of big weights.
The form of which is often underestimated when compared to some of the graded races.

He might not run it now, as he might want to wait for a 2 mile graded race somewhere.
But we'll see.
Think I'll use another skybet freebie on it for the Queen mother seeing as Chacun didn't set the world alight on debut.
One or two of the favs miss the race and he'll be a player.

At the very least, the way it travelled and emptied should finally tell Nicholls that 2 miles is his trip. FFS.

And as Jack says, the run of St calvados was merit worthy, although he finished alongside 2 other horses so that might be his mark maybe.

 

[Pendil]

Heck of a run from Saint Calvados off 157. Not in betting

I was very impressed by the run of Saint Calvados although still bruised by his run in the 2018 Arkle and have taken B365 20/1 ew for the Ryanair.
Wind OP Sept 19
Learned to settle this year
Much improved course form in last 3 races
and now moved up by 1/2ml in distance for 1st time since moving from France he has probably run his best race ever.
Hopefully Min will go chasing Altiors arse again in QM chase

 

[Kevloaf]

I was very impressed by the run of Saint Calvados although still bruised by his run in the 2018 Arkle and have taken B365 20/1 ew for the Ryanair.
Wind OP Sept 19
Learned to settle this year
Much improved course form in last 3 races
and now moved up by 1/2ml in distance for 1st time since moving from France he has probably run his best race ever.
Hopefully Min will go chasing Altiors arse again in QM chase

Saint Calvados' Arkle run... sigh.

A forum favourite and definitely one of mine, but it'd need to really cut up for him to have a proper chance here? The handicaps are realistically more his level?

Would love to be wrong on him though

 

[Pendil]

Saint Calvados' Arkle run... sigh.

A forum favourite and definitely one of mine, but it'd need to really cut up for him to have a proper chance here? The handicaps are realistically more his level?

Would love to be wrong on him though

Lets say they work back from Ex Patriot in 4th nearly 5l back and leave him on his mark then handicapper will add 5 lb to each of the first 3. I am expecting a new handicap mark of at least 162 so no handicapping off that. He's shown that he is not competitive at G1
2 mile and wont be going Gold Cup so has only one obvious aim.

 

[Kevloaf]

Lets say they work back from Ex Patriot in 4th nearly 5l back and leave him on his mark then handicapper will add 5 lb to each of the first 3. I am expecting a new handicap mark of at least 162 so no handicapping off that. He's shown that he is not competitive at G1
2 mile and wont be going Gold Cup so has only one obvious aim.

Doesn't mean he'll be good enough though.

Would need the right ground, a great ride on the day and a weak field.

I wouldn't have him as being good enough to get any higher then 162 either with any confidence so I don't think he'll be up to this level.



Again, I'd like to be wrong on him as he's a cracking thing but I just don't think he'll win open class grade 1 chases

 

[Stormy Antarctic]

Doesn't mean he'll be good enough though.

Would need the right ground, a great ride on the day and a weak field.

I wouldn't have him as being good enough to get any higher then 162 either with any confidence so I don't think he'll be up to this level.



Again, I'd like to be wrong on him as he's a cracking thing but I just don't think he'll win open class grade 1 chases

Agree with this, he’d need to be rated almost 170 to be winning this. He’s looks like he’s improved massively this season but I can’t see him finding the improvement to win this.

 

[jack1092]

Altior muted to be going Kempton this saturday. Last quotes i see from Frodon camp in November was this was their plan too.

No gimme for Altior if they do match up.

Both 14s for here. Whichever wins, has to shorten to probably 8s at best you;d have though.

Frodon previous winner + altior being altior. He probably has scope to shorten even more given Defi is fav and Min etc.

Tempted to take it, with cashout, as they could still go back over 2miles of course.

 

[Kevloaf]

If Altior can't be Frodon then he'll be retired.

Just a superior horse, his 2nd behind Cyrname is better than any performance Frodon has ever put in, including his Ryanair win.





I can't see Altior running in the Ryanair, when he has a chance at winning a 3rd QMCC.


All Hendo keeps banging on about it how much speed he's still showing... whether he's right or not, we won't know until Wed 14th - when he attempts to win a 3rd QMCC.





NRNB better than 'cashout' for this, as you won't know the right moment to cash out



I'm looking forward to somebody pricing his NRNB Ryanair price wrong though...

 

[jack1092]

Superior horse over the years, but Frodon is a ryanair winner. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for a horse that's showing himself to like to jump safe etc. Frodon will go out and say catch me. He'll probably catch him, but on the figures, he's not streets ahead.

Issue is, they might not price a NRNB before its too late?

I think qmcc probably too, but beating last years ryanair winner would at least make him a decent antepost as long as you've a get out (nrnb or cashout)

 

[Hurricane fly]

I honestly still can’t believe Frodon won the Ryanair.

Altior needs to be beating him 5+ lengths to be considered for any race in my opinion, just can’t have it as a good horse

 

[Scooby91]

Superior horse over the years, but Frodon is a ryanair winner. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for a horse that's showing himself to like to jump safe etc. Frodon will go out and say catch me. He'll probably catch him, but on the figures, he's not streets ahead.

Issue is, they might not price a NRNB before its too late?

I think qmcc probably too, but beating last years ryanair winner would at least make him a decent antepost as long as you've a get out (nrnb or cashout)

Hes 3/1 NRNB with PP.

Cant see him going Ryanair what so ever. But tbf he'd be odds on.

 

[jack1092]

Hes 3/1 NRNB with PP.

Cant see him going Ryanair what so ever. But tbf he'd be odds on.

I can't see it much either, just a thought really. as usual its a very windy race this far out

Min the one to beat for me still but if Altior rocked up, well......

 

[Kevloaf]

Superior horse over the years, but Frodon is a ryanair winner. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for a horse that's showing himself to like to jump safe etc. Frodon will go out and say catch me. He'll probably catch him, but on the figures, he's not streets ahead.

Issue is, they might not price a NRNB before its too late?

I think qmcc probably too, but beating last years ryanair winner would at least make him a decent antepost as long as you've a get out (nrnb or cashout)

On this years form, Altior is a better horse than Frodon too though?




I don't want to be too bullish because I think Altior would have more chance of winning a Ryanair than a QMCC (generally) - but I just don't think he'll do it.

I think he'll go QMCC and probably be beaten, if I had to make the statement now.

 

[jack1092]

On this years form, Altior is a better horse than Frodon too though?




I don't want to be too bullish because I think Altior would have more chance of winning a Ryanair than a QMCC (generally) - but I just don't think he'll do it.

I think he'll go QMCC and probably be beaten, if I had to make the statement now.

He is i've no problem with that. He's not streets better for all its always been said he's holding some back for himself.

Yeah likeliest outcome i'd say is that. Might still punt the 14s, i'll sit on it for the night haha.

 

[Arkle]

Has there been any mention of cryname tackling Cheltenham would like to see how he got on be an interesting contender for here

 

[Scooby91]

Has there been any mention of cryname tackling Cheltenham would like to see how he got on be an interesting contender for here

Being treated for ulcers atm. Prob back for ascot. And an unlikely runner here. Prob punchestown