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Ryanair 2020

Istabraq said:
I have a nice voucher Frodon here to repeat his (and Bryony's) epic performance of last year and I still see there to be value in his price.
He looks certain to come here and I think the race will be made easier assuming Defi defects to the Queen Mother, difficult to see him not being competitive...
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Can easily see him fighting them all off up the hill, in the style of Alberta's Run

I can't really see him shortening from his current price but will most probably back him morning of the race.
 
SamuelP said:
Anyone backing Footpad for Ryanair before he runs today? I think he wins today receiving the weight and will go shorter but still not convinced 10s is value, albeit I fully expect him to be 7s by end of today
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Shorter than 7s.

In what world could APT be 6s yet footpad 7s. With the clear superior form.
 
If APT wins over 2 at Leopardstown then he may well go CC like Defi although I'd still say it would be 65/35 he comes here with a better winning chance. Frodon will come here as well and has a big chance of following up now that he's hit top form at the right time. I wouldn't trust Footpad with his previous issues and I've already given my views on why Min won't win.
 
Lobos said:
If APT wins over 2 at Leopardstown then he may well go CC like Defi although I'd still say it would be 65/35 he comes here with a better winning chance. Frodon will come here as well and has a big chance of following up now that he's hit top form at the right time. I wouldn't trust Footpad with his previous issues and I've already given my views on why Min won't win.
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If mins not a superior horse than APT over any trip. I'd be very surprised.

APT has won a handicap. Held against good horses. Got beat by ballyoision.
Then hes beat CPs on seasonal debut, with trash behind.

Dosent make him anything special. I dont get where his huge chance comes from.
 
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27Dec19 Leo*17f Soft 5y+ S(125K)

11-12[4/1]1st of 8,*3.75L to Chacun Pour Soi

Rachael Blackmore

Rated 160

9/1 4/1




10Nov19 Nav*16f Soft to Heavy 5y+ S(45K)

11-1[5/4Fav]bf2nd of 5,*2.75L behind Ballyoisin

Rachael Blackmore

Rated 160

11/8 5/4Fav




30Apr19 Pun*25f Yielding 5y+ NovCh(100K)

11-5[9/4]3rd of 8,*14.25L behind Delta Work

Rachael Blackmore

Rated 160

2/1 9/4




12Mar19 Che*20f Soft 5y+ HcapCh(70K)

11-5[5/1Fav]1st of 20,*16L to Tower Bridge

Rachael Blackmore

Rated 1441

7/1 5/1Fav





13Jan19 Pun*20f Good 5y+ NovCh(44K)

10-8[5/4Fav]bf2nd of 7,*2.25L behind Winter Escape

Rachael Blackmore

6/4 5/4Fav




18Dec18 Naa*19f Yielding 4y+ NovCh(14K)

11-5[4/1]1st of 18,*3.25L to Duc Des Genievres

Rachael Blackmore

10/3 4/1





24Nov18 Gow*20f Good to Yielding 4y+ NovCh(17K)

11-3[7/4Fav]bf2nd of 13,*nk behind Dr Mikey

Rachael Blackmore
 
Looks more like chacun isn't as good as hoped/ diddnt run aswell as hoped.


Its not a huge leap in form. Unless you rate CPS as being a very good horse. In the late 160s


If you don't think chacun is the best thing since sliced bread. hes ran to his normal level of form which leaves him held at the highest level. The horse in behind indicates this to be more likely.
 
delsie777 said:
We put the King George down purely to the trip?
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Of course. Suprised your mentioning it negatively.
He ran a monster race in the KG. The best of his life.


Theres levels. I prefer a beaten horse running a big race at the pinnacle than winning a nothing race.
 
Hardline at 33/1 NRNB for this if you don't fancy Footpad
Real Steel 20/1 NRNB

Very little risk really, if they do win they'll shorten and if they don't they probably wouldn't run here. Maybe riskier with Real Steel I guess.

Voix Du Reve 40/1 same principle.

I don't think they'd push any out really if they lose.
 
Personally think that APT is probably better than you give him credit for. Bit soon to be writing off CPS I think. I love Min but I fear that he will find something to beat him around Cheltenham. I'm finding it really hard to stick with Footpad. I really hope you're right about him because I owe him a lot but I'm worried about the race today leave alone this. If he wins well and goes short for this I will have missed the boat. But I can't say it's a voyage I'd really want to take.
 
delsie777 said:
Personally think that APT is probably better than you give him credit for. Bit soon to be writing off CPS I think. I love Min but I fear that he will find something to beat him around Cheltenham. I'm finding it really hard to stick with Footpad. I really hope you're right about him because I owe him a lot but I'm worried about the race today leave alone this. If he wins well and goes short for this I will have missed the boat. But I can't say it's a voyage I'd really want to take.
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What makes a plus tard a leading contender for this?

I struggle to get what particular piece of form. Or he improves a stone from nowhere? Because he won a handicap over 2 1/2

He'd have finished infront of footpad in the KG?
 
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Kevloaf said:
Hardline at 33/1 NRNB for this if you don't fancy Footpad
Real Steel 20/1 NRNB

Very little risk really, if they do win they'll shorten and if they don't they probably wouldn't run here. Maybe riskier with Real Steel I guess.

Voix Du Reve 40/1 same principle.

I don't think they'd push any out really if they lose.
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I took a bit of 240.0 for Real Steel earlier in the week with the idea of trading out if he ran well today - not hopeful but worth the punt
 
Scooby91 said:
What makes a plus tard a leading contender for this?

I struggle to get what particular piece of form. Or he improves a stone from nowhere? Because he won a handicap over 2 1/2

He'd have finished infront of footpad in the KG?
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Scooby, he's fav for the Ryanair as we speak. Thousands of punters and professional odds compilers who have put him there can't all be wrong. Maybe you are ?? Or is that unthinkable?
 
Lobos said:
Scooby, he's fav for the Ryanair as we speak. Thousands of punters and professional odds compilers who have put him there can't all be wrong. Maybe you are ?? Or is that unthinkable?
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Instead of a dig. Answer a fair question.

What makes him a leading contender??
What pieces of form.??


Would he have finished infront of footpad in the KG?
 
Think people are rating footpad's run in the King George a little too highly.
26 lengths behind the winner in third. Not much :highly_amused:
And 2 and a half lengths in front of the last finisher Aso.

4 lengths away from tailed off in my book.

He has a lot to prove still.
 
Scooby91 said:
Instead of a dig. Answer a fair question.

What makes him a leading contender??
What pieces of form.??


Would he have finished infront of footpad in the KG?
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Not a dig at all just an observation. His win in last year's CB was sensational regardless of the opposition. His win over CPS, a horse that Mullins and co think a hell of a lot of (they must be better judges than you and I) was again striking and completely unexpected over a trip that was in all probability too short. He clearly had improved. It's not always about times and who is in behind either. Like it or not he's a big player in the Ryanair and maybe the number 1 Irish challenge in the CC.
 
Lobos said:
Not a dig at all just an observation. His win in last year's CB was sensational regardless of the opposition. His win over CPS, a horse that Mullins and co think a hell of a lot of (they must be better judges than you and I) was again striking and completely unexpected over a trip that was in all probability too short. He clearly had improved. It's not always about times and who is in behind either. Like it or not he's a big player in the Ryanair and maybe the number 1 Irish challenge in the CC.
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I cant disregard opposition. And assume that's an improvement. that's where we differ.
 
Scooby91 said:
I cant disregard opposition. And assume that's an improvement. that's where we differ.
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Yep. At least that's sorted.....phew ! Enjoyed the debate though.
 
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