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Royal Ascot 2024 Yankee

I like this Thread , Not very Good on the Flat , but still take an interest , and started taking a " cheltenham " approach.
backing at small stakes A/P for the big races , when i see an entry .. i.e. Rubies are Red at chester this week. for the Oaks... :encouragement:.
 
Bullet and gabaldon both seem keen on coming over after winning qualifiers last night
 
Highbury could be one for the queens vase, won well at leopardstown earlier
 
Yes he won well

Was your typical ballydoyle relay race with the pacemaker doing all the donkey work and him just drafting in behind
 
Bullet and gabaldon both seem keen on coming over after winning qualifiers last night

Thought Bullet looked especially interesting, showed great acceleration at the business end and hit the line hard… trainer has previous too
 
Wish I could have got on the 10s that Lads originally pushed Henry Longfellow to for the St. James’ Palace… you can put a line through that run today imo and I think we’ll see a different horse at Ascot… hopefully the fav will hold his price up when the market settles
 
Folgaria @ 25/1 Coronation Stakes

Just looking at the Coronation Stakes it could be a corker.

If Opera Singer runs to what we think she can, she should win. However, Folgaria looks a nice each way option to me.
Unbeaten in 6 races, Elmalka (4/1) franks her form winning the 1000 guineas and she's won over a mile on soft, g/s and good. Looks like she'll be running at Longchamp on Sunday so a bit early for a Yankee but have taken the 25/1

Forget that one then

https://www.attheraces.com/news/202...p-in-trip-after-french-guineas-disappointment
 
Worth noting willie has run first ethical diamond

And now later today highwind and bunting on the flat

Worth keeping an eye on those when the handicap markets go up

Ethical diamond ran well losing a head bobbing finish, though I'd say he dogged it a little
 
She probably has no chance but we're going to see our first ever Chad Brown runner at Ascot this year as he's bringing over Sweet Rebecca for the Coronation, surprised he hasn't decided to bring over another like Carl Spackler for company to run in the Queen Anne
 
She probably has no chance but we're going to see our first ever Chad Brown runner at Ascot this year as he's bringing over Sweet Rebecca for the Coronation, surprised he hasn't decided to bring over another like Carl Spackler for company to run in the Queen Anne

33/1 about Chad Brown’s first runner is worth backing blind imo, let alone one that has a perfect 2 from 2 record
 
The one for Royal Ascot that I’m most interested in is

Passenger (Prince of Wales)

Already close to good enough to win the race (3.5lb off the Average race winning RPRs in the last decade) on his 4yo seasonal debut at Chester.

That was a lifetime best by 8lbs from his curtailed 3yo career of 4 lifetime starts, including an “unfortunate” close 3rd in the Dante on his 2nd run, unplaced in the Derby and a final run in a Windsor Group 3 race win, beating a horse who went on to lose by a head, in the Group 1 Caulfield Cup (2 months later) - to the eventual Melbourne Cup winner.

So an unfulfilled potential season, for Passenger, like his sire Ulysses, who incidentally

* also ran unplaced in the Derby,
* and was 2nd in that Windsor Group 3 race,
* for the same trainer, Sir Michael Stoute,
* before blossoming as a 4yo,

into a horse that

* won his prep for the Prince of Wales,
* before coming 3rd in it,
* winning the Eclipse and Juddmonte International at the trip, and
* placed in the King George and Arc, at his two goes at 1M4F

in a wonderfully consistent run through the whole season.

Im hoping that Passenger can have such a sparking season as his sire, and his 4yo debut already has a higher lifetime RPR than his sire started out with in the POW, so he’s ahead of the curve a.t.m.


The other one Ive had an interest in, but is probably less likely to make the start, unless he won well under a penalty at York on Friday is

Tower of London (Ascot Gold Cup)

Another 4yo improving already from a decent 3yo career, by winning highly valuable and competitive Grade 3 and Grade 2 races, and banking gbp 1.6M along the way.

In my opinion AOB has had a nightmare start to Group 1 races and classics this season, and the plan to go one-handed into Newmarkets 1000 and 2000 Guineas, and to not prep horses before it, proved to be an unwise one.

Hes spoken since of potentially going with TOL and Kyprios to the Ascot Gold Cup, which makes much more sense to me if they both win this week.

Kyprios had a star 4yo stayers season, but when winning the Ascot Gold Cup it wasn’t by much, (1/2L from Mojo Star, with Burning Victory only 1L back in 4th).

He earned his big figure at the end of that season on very Soft Ground on Arc Day, which was much bigger than he’s done elsewhere, before or since, so he could be underpriced, and may be vulnerable to a younger upcoming horse.

Thats why a win at York under a penalty, should mean, all things being equal, TOL becomes a live chance

That York race he’s giving 3lbs to Vauban, Gregory, Hamish, Al Qareem and Giovelotto, and if he could do that then it would, in my view, match or most likely beat, what Kyprios did in his Ascot Gold Cup win 2 years ago, with his 120 RPR that day - when he was an improving 4yo.
 
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With King Of Steel out with injury Passenger has dropped in odds as expected
 
The one for Royal Ascot that I’m most interested in is

Passenger (Prince of Wales)

Already close to good enough to win the race (3.5lb off the Average race winning RPRs in the last decade) on his 4yo seasonal debut at Chester.

That was a lifetime best by 8lbs from his curtailed 3yo career of 4 lifetime starts, including an “unfortunate” close 3rd in the Dante on his 2nd run, unplaced in the Derby and a final run in a Windsor Group 3 race win, beating a horse who went on to lose by a head, in the Group 1 Caulfield Cup (2 months later) - to the eventual Melbourne Cup winner.

So an unfulfilled potential season, for Passenger, like his sire Ulysses, who incidentally

* also ran unplaced in the Derby,
* and was 2nd in that Windsor Group 3 race,
* for the same trainer, Sir Michael Stoute,
* before blossoming as a 4yo,

into a horse that

* won his prep for the Prince of Wales,
* before coming 3rd in it,
* winning the Eclipse and Juddmonte International at the trip, and
* placed in the King George and Arc, at his two goes at 1M4F

in a wonderfully consistent run through the whole season.

Im hoping that Passenger can have such a sparking season as his sire, and his 4yo debut already has a higher lifetime RPR than his sire started out with in the POW, so he’s ahead of the curve a.t.m.


The other one Ive had an interest in, but is probably less likely to make the start, unless he won well under a penalty at York on Friday is

Tower of London (Ascot Gold Cup)

Another 4yo improving already from a decent 3yo career, by winning highly valuable and competitive Grade 3 and Grade 2 races, and banking gbp 1.6M along the way.

In my opinion AOB has had a nightmare start to Group 1 races and classics this season, and the plan to go one-handed into Newmarkets 1000 and 2000 Guineas, and to not prep horses before it, proved to be an unwise one.

Hes spoken since of potentially going with TOL and Kyprios to the Ascot Gold Cup, which makes much more sense to me if they both win this week.

Kyprios had a star 4yo stating season, but when winning the Ascot Gold Cup it wasn’t by much, (1/2L from Mojo Star, with Burning Victory only 1L back in 4th).

He earned his big figure at the end of that season on very Soft Ground on Arc Day, which was much bigger than he’s done elsewhere, before or since, so he could be underpriced, and may be vulnerable to a younger upcoming horse.

Thats why a win at York under a penalty, should mean, all things being equal, TOL becomes a live chance

That York race he’s giving 3lbs to Vauban, Gregory, Hamish, Al Qareem and Giovelotto, and if he could do that then it would, in my view, match or most likely beat, what Kyprios did in his Ascot Gold Cup win 2 years ago, with his 120 RPR that day - when he was an improving 4yo.

I agree that tower of london has the perfect profile

It'd be a mistake not to run him imo

Kyprios is good but we still don't know if he's as good after the setback last season

Losing to eldar eldarov and trawlerman suggests perhaps not and we learnt nothing on his reappearance
 
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With King Of Steel out with injury Passenger has dropped in odds as expected

Gutting that I wrote earlier that Passenger was my main Royal Ascot bet - at that point 13/2 was accessible in the market.

Then within an hour or so, one of his main rivals misses the meeting, and Passenger halved in price.

I thought he would win with King of Steel in opposition, so not much gained, for a heavy price reduction.

Maybe if the field is strong enough in opposition, as the day approaches, then the price will look better again, if it doesn’t change further.
 
Kyprios now a best 11/8 for beating the same donkeys at 1/12

He looks awfully short to me
 
See Mountain Breeze is back out tomorrow under a penalty FF… form of her makden is working out with the 3rd winning and the 4th running well today in a deep race… win tomorrow in similar style and 9/4 will probably look good
 
He’s priced about right for me… don’t really see what beats him?

Himself mainly, he has his kinks and they will likely only get worse with age

At 11/8 he'd have to be a banker

And his form last season and this doesn't entitle him to that

I'd be more than prepared to let him win at that price
 
See Mountain Breeze is back out tomorrow under a penalty FF… form of her makden is working out with the 3rd winning and the 4th running well today in a deep race… win tomorrow in similar style and 9/4 will probably look good

She looked very much above average didn't she

I just don't like taking short prices in 2yo races, they are a lottery until we get to the mid/tail end of the season

I do enjoy tracking them though and trying to find your prix morny, national stakes, dewhurst, lagadere winners etc