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Queen Mother Champion Chase 2019

As I said all along on here (and took some stick for from some), Footpad wouldn’t beat Altior even with a 10 length head start
 
delsie777 said:
I thought Footpad ran well today. Jumped superbly in the main and was just found wanting on that Leopardstown run in. It's not unknown for strange results to occur in this race - Vautour was upset there and of course Min was nearly caught last year - and they both ran much better at the Festival. On the basis that you can't run away from one horse, I should think he's a good eachway price for this now. Race could cut up, anything could happen to the fav between now and March and he's a great chance of making the three.
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7/1 NRNB

With a full stake cashout available.

Makes sense to me.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
As I said all along on here (and took some stick for from some), Footpad wouldn’t beat Altior even with a 10 length head start
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Certainly wasn't me that said that, but just to play devil's advocate, we don't know that :p
 
Middle_Of_March said:
As I said all along on here (and took some stick for from some), Footpad wouldn’t beat Altior even with a 10 length head start
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He wouldn't if he was in his box for some reason. The point is that 10/1 is a value eachway price. Altior at 2/5 in December is not.
 
delsie777 said:
He wouldn't if he was in his box for some reason. The point is that 10/1 is a value eachway price. Altior at 2/5 in December is not.
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A much better way of putting it than I managed :highly_amused:
 
KingSprinterSacre said:
I've got obvious bias, but I agree. Sprinter at his best would win.
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Sprinter Sacre got me into the sport so purely for sentimental and emotional reasons - no horse will ever top him. Altior is by far the best horse in training now and I do agree that it's getting far closer than I ever thought possible between the pair though.

They are 2 completely different horses. Sprinter travelled through a race like no other. In his prime he cruised through his races to the point where he had the race sewn up 3 out. Altior on the other hand is the polar opposite really where even in the best races where it can seem he is struggling he's still got more in hand at that stage - he needs the final 2-3 furlongs to win it. So although they'll always share similarities, they win their races in completely different ways and are very different horses.

From purely a ratings point of view - I think if given the oppourtiniy Altior could potentially get close to Sprinter Sacre's rating but it would require 1 of 2 things...

1) The 2 highest rated horses Altior has beat are Un de Sceaux (168) by 4 lengths and Min (167) by 7 lengths. Sprinter on the other hand beat Sanctuaire (166) by 19.5 lengths and the key Sizing Europe (172) by 19 lengths. Altior will be hard pressed to hand out those types of beatings (i.e winning distances) over 2 miles. He'll either need to put those types of distances against the likes of Min / Un de Sceaux or have a 2 miler come around that is himself 175+ which is near on impossible based on the current shape of the 2 mile division and the up and coming horses in the Arkle.

2) Unlike Sprinter who could put a race to bed and win by 10-15+ lengths over 2 miles, Altior's style means that will be hard to do at the top level. Going up to 2m4 and then 3 miles (if at least as good at those trips as he is 2 miles) means he may well be able to produce a run that rivals what Sprinter ran too in his prime as he'll be able to put those types of winning distances in. Even then though it'll require a horse like a Sizing Europe at those trips which you're only really going to get in the King George.

For me, for Altior to get within the 180's he'll need to step up in trip.

(Pointless and you could name a few but...) If I could name a horse and a trip that could imo produce a career high for Altior - it would have been a match between Vautour over 2m5.

Might request a SkyBet Champion Chase, Melling Chase and King George treble...
 
Has anyone found the King George 2019 market yet?!
 
delsie777 said:
He wouldn't if he was in his box for some reason. The point is that 10/1 is a value eachway price. Altior at 2/5 in December is not.
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I’m not talking as a betting perspective.

But after Cheltenham this year I remember people on here saying Footpad beats altior. Quoting the race times etc. My argument was that, with that Cheltenham hill, Altior beats footpad over any distance by 10 or more lengths minimum.
 
It’s already an option

12/1 for him to win all 3
 
There aren't many races with long odds on shots that get anyone interested but I just love watching Altior race.
The games needs stars and is proving to be one of the best NH horses of modern times.
Where he will also benefit is Hendo realising his mistake in sending Sprinter Sacre to Punchestown after Cheltenham and Aintree and almost ruining the horse, he recognises that error and won't make the same mistake again.
Could go off the shortest championship fav in year come March....
 
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Istabraq said:
There aren't many races with long odds on shots that get anyone interested but I just love watching Altior race.
The games needs stars and is proving to be one of the best NH horses of modern times.
Where he will also benefit is Hendo realising his mistake in sending Sprinter Sacre to Punchestown after Cheltenham and Aintree and almost ruining the horse, he recognises that error and won't make the same mistake again.
Could go off the shortest championship fav in year come March....
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Douvan at 2/9 getting turned over will mean no horse goes off shorter than 3/10 in the near future at Cheltenham in my opinion.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
Douvan at 2/9 getting turned over will mean no horse goes off shorter than 3/10 in the near future at Cheltenham in my opinion.
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Good memory MofM, clearly better than mine...
 
Middle_Of_March said:
Douvan at 2/9 getting turned over will mean no horse goes off shorter than 3/10 in the near future at Cheltenham in my opinion.
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He was 1/4 officially. His biggest danger was Fox Norton who he's walloped as a novice and God's Own.

The only way Altior would be shorter is if nothing from Ireland bothered with the race, as he'd be up against all the horses in UKL he's already thrashed. However, Willie Mullins alone will have at least one rival that would command being shorter than 6/1, therefore, we won't see the price much shorter than currently.
 
Hurricane fly said:
It’s already an option

12/1 for him to win all 3
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jono requested that today :)

I'd prefer the 8/1 on it's own just in case they don't bother with the Melling.

I might back both.

In the New Year.

Maybe.
 
With Skybet goinf NRNB, I’ve just had a few quid each way on Fox Norton at 33/1.

If he goes here, it’ll be a small field and I’d fancy him to place at the least. He’s very consistent with his runs too.

Fox Norton e/w @ 33/1 NRNB
 
Don't quote me M.O.M , but i seem to remember someone saying Fox Norton was Injured ?? .
But hope i'm wrong for your sake.( think i did a small r'air bet and then heard )
 
BigChaang said:
Don't quote me M.O.M , but i seem to remember someone saying Fox Norton was Injured ?? .
But hope i'm wrong for your sake.( think i did a small r'air bet and then heard )
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He's fine.
 
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