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National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2019

boopa said:
He only has one pace, slow.

The Martin Pipe he won was a bit of a farce.
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+1. That Martin Pipe form is worth diddly squat in my opinion. He was absolutely gifted the race
 
Tiger Roll's Triumph was worth diddly squat.

Still a festival winner.


Definitely going to come 3rd :p
 
Kevloaf said:
Tiger Roll's Triumph was worth diddly squat.

Still a festival winner.


Definitely going to come 3rd :p
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You can't compare a Triumph hurdle to a conditionals handicap. :devilish:

I was thinking 4th was the best he could finish:p
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
You can't compare a Triumph hurdle to a conditionals handicap. :devilish:

I was thinking 4th was the best he could finish:p
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I can, 'cos we agree all the time :p

.... but .... it's more a general point, even if the form of a festival winner doesn't look like much, I still think it holds gravitas

Tiger Roll didn't go in to the 4 miler with people saying "well he won a strong Triumph" because let's face it, he didn't... and I know it's relative, but I am not sure 4 year olds would beat Martin Pipe horses... there is certainly not a clear cut case that Martin Pipe winners haven't gone on to be great horses... same with the Triumph too of course, but I don't think you can believe Triumph winners are a cut above?
 
Kevloaf said:
Mall Dini only 16s now NRNB. The right faces must be on.

Festival form for Mall Dini is enough to want him onside at 20s / 16s etc ...
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Do you think mall dini will turn up here kev ?
Was banking on Patrick riding him in the Kim muir
 
Kevloaf said:
I can, 'cos we agree all the time :p

.... but .... it's more a general point, even if the form of a festival winner doesn't look like much, I still think it holds gravitas

Tiger Roll didn't go in to the 4 miler with people saying "well he won a strong Triumph" because let's face it, he didn't... and I know it's relative, but I am not sure 4 year olds would beat Martin Pipe horses... there is certainly not a clear cut case that Martin Pipe winners haven't gone on to be great horses... same with the Triumph too of course, but I don't think you can believe Triumph winners are a cut above?
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No, i don't believe Triumph winners are a cut above, far from it in fact, but the Triumph is always a competitive race where the best horse on the day wins.

If the Martin Pipe was a race for professional jockeys I think we'd have seen a different result. BBB was at the front end all the way and was gifted an easy lead coming down the hill, off a slow pace. It was game over from that point. BBB is a decent horse but I've got a big question mark against that form, that's all.

I'm not sure I'm getting my point across very well:devilish:
 
Liammet said:
Do you think mall dini will turn up here kev ?
Was banking on Patrick riding him in the Kim muir
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149 in Ireland, so can't see a way to get him 145 or below by March...

so has to be here for me?
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
No, i don't believe Triumph winners are a cut above, far from it in fact, but the Triumph is always a competitive race where the best horse on the day wins.

If the Martin Pipe was a race for professional jockeys I think we'd have seen a different result. BBB was at the front end all the way and was gifted an easy lead coming down the hill, off a slow pace. It was game over from that point. BBB is a decent horse but I've got a big question mark against that form, that's all.

I'm not sure I'm getting my point across very well:devilish:
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Maybe, but BBB is likely to have a top jockey this race too if he gets here, so hopefully he can steal another race :p

I do see your point on the4 form,. I don't disagree that he doesn't have strong chase form, and I can also see why the hurdles form doesn't stack up too.

I just don't really see a lot of depth yet.
 
Kevloaf said:
149 in Ireland, so can't see a way to get him 145 or below by March...

so has to be here for me?
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Mall dini could do a cause of causes, chinned in the KIm Muir and back for the 4 miler.
 
Kevloaf said:
149 in Ireland, so can't see a way to get him 145 or below by March...

so has to be here for me?
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How much do you think he would drop for a down the field run tomorrow ?
 
Liammet said:
How much do you think he would drop for a down the field run tomorrow ?
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A few lbs - but then the English handicapper would pop them back on?
 
delsie777 said:
Ballyward is WPM's only entry - and he's not in the RSA
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Tempted by the 25s then.

Patrick deserves to be shorter and this has to be it?
 
Took the 25s ew as my cover bet.
Will surely go off much shorter with Patrick onboard
 
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