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National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2019
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Quevega
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Just covered it with sky, willies may not run (ballyward) (who knows with bacardys) and go for rsa, patrick riding mall dini in thyestes is a big clue. as someone's already said
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This all started with the point that Patrick has chosen Mall Dini over 8 Mullins horses in the Thyestes - Willie's favourite race!
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Definitely agree. Have an overwhelming feeling that if I don't get on he will piss up and i'l look back and think 'that was obvious'
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Chaps has Blow By Blow been given a mark yet for Cheltenham? (I’m clueless with handicap deadlines, announcements and rules).
I just wanted to see that prior to a small play either for this 4 miler or one of the handicap chases.
I just wanted to see that prior to a small play either for this 4 miler or one of the handicap chases.
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Can't wait to see forum beloveds Mall Dini and Blow By Blow battling it out up the hill......for 4th.
Haha :highly_amused:
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In all seriousness, Some Neck also has an amateur up tomorrow. If he can't beat Mall Dini getting 4lb (plus the 5lb allowance which I ignore for form purposes) you wouldn't rate Blow By Blow's chances at Cheltenham off levels.
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Regarding BBB, would you would have thought the same about Tiger Roll before he ran in the 4miler? Gordon is well capable of readying one for a big day despite what the formbook tells you. Some horses aren’t consistent all season long but show flashes of class every now and then when they’re properly wound up for a particular race. He falls into that category for me & the slower pace will suit him if he runs here.
ComplyOrDie
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BBB just isn't that good. His Martin Pipe Handicap win has thrown up nothing of great note either. I backed him 'any race' as a previous winner at the festival and I am hoping, no, I am praying he gets in a handicap somewhere, maybe the Plate, as that is all I can see him good for at the moment.
I agree with Archie, he should be beating Some Neck, he won on debut so he wasn't in bad shape either, so he was ready for the Florida Pearl that he lost, albeit just a neck seperating them.
Tiger Roll is on another level, he was a Triumph winner (that's a Grade 1 btw) on just his 2nd start for Elliott, none of this handicap malarkey with him, and that race has also shown to be a good one for eventual stayer's which Tiger Roll is.
I'm still waiting on that piece of evidence that even remotely suggests BBB stays 3m at the top level, let alone 4m. Remember, with the likes of OK Corral & seemingly Mall Dini in the race this coming season it won't be just a plod round, they will need to have an element of class about them too.
I agree with Archie, he should be beating Some Neck, he won on debut so he wasn't in bad shape either, so he was ready for the Florida Pearl that he lost, albeit just a neck seperating them.
Tiger Roll is on another level, he was a Triumph winner (that's a Grade 1 btw) on just his 2nd start for Elliott, none of this handicap malarkey with him, and that race has also shown to be a good one for eventual stayer's which Tiger Roll is.
I'm still waiting on that piece of evidence that even remotely suggests BBB stays 3m at the top level, let alone 4m. Remember, with the likes of OK Corral & seemingly Mall Dini in the race this coming season it won't be just a plod round, they will need to have an element of class about them too.
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On all known form he shouldn’t get near Ok Corral (who I am also on) but I just have a sneaky feeling the race will suit him & if he gets into a nice rhythm he’ll perform above expectations on the day in similar style to his Martin Pipe win. At 25/1 I’d probably be happy with a place, he’s definitely not a no hoper in my book, he has a live outside chance.
BBB does have some back class ... grade 1 winner as well in a bumper ...
Bit unfair to say he no good when he's a festival winner over hurdles and a grade 1 bumper winner.
Good luck with your 1/16 lays though ....
Are you not being a little short sighted basing his chance in this race on this seasons form? No one has said he's shown strong chase form yet but there is clearly potential for him to be better than he's shown. If we can't agree on that I'll give up
Bit unfair to say he no good when he's a festival winner over hurdles and a grade 1 bumper winner.
Good luck with your 1/16 lays though ....
Are you not being a little short sighted basing his chance in this race on this seasons form? No one has said he's shown strong chase form yet but there is clearly potential for him to be better than he's shown. If we can't agree on that I'll give up
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ComplyOrDie
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BBB does have some back class ... grade 1 winner as well in a bumper ...
Bit unfair to say he no good when he's a festival winner over hurdles and a grade 1 bumper winner.
Good luck with your 1/16 lays though ....
I only back to lay (trade), rarely lay any horse from the outset, back against, yes, but not lay directly. Besides, I have him 'any race' I just don't think I'll be getting a return for my money if he comes here, that's all. As you noted, his being a previous festival winner, the reason I backed him, would entitle him to a level of respect, in, say, a handicap, which he won at the festival previously.
charlie
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BBB does have some back class ... grade 1 winner as well in a bumper ...
Bit unfair to say he no good when he's a festival winner over hurdles and a grade 1 bumper winner.
Good luck with your 1/16 lays though ....
Are you not being a little short sighted basing his chance in this race on this seasons form?
I agree. I'd also add that being a big boat of a thing that is sometimes one paced are characteristics that would worry me over 2m5f/3m, far less so over 4m. He's stepping into the unknown and perhaps I'm hoping more than anything that it will suit because i've backed him (definitely wearing blinkers here - he made me a small fortune last year). Ultimately I trust Gordon. His record in this race speaks for itself. As much as I'd value the experience over fences at Cheltenham, BBB needs to go to Naas over 3m and run well NTO
charlie
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He got a soft lead but a farce it was not. Defied top weight and won well when it looked like he’d be headed turning in