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MARTIN PIPE Conditionals Handicap Hurdle 2021

ComplyOrDie said:
I'd concede it probably wasn't true form from him, but we don't know how good he is.

Using Vanillier and Stattler is hardly reliable either yet. That was Stattlers first start over hurdles and clearly he's seen as a staying type so finishing ahead of him over 2m 3f is hardly an inspiring form line. Vanillier looks like a stayer too, and had the benefit of a run over hurdles too so put his experience to good use that day.

We've literally got a maiden hurdle over 2m 3f, just a furlong shorter than the pipe, where he got done by a stayer, and finished ahead of another stayer, and todays race.

I can't get out of my bets on him, so I'm hoping your optimism proves to be correct, but visually, on what we've seen so far and how his form compares with previous Elliott runners before contesting the Martin Pipe, he isn't for me.
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I'm not optimistic.
It just wasn't his true running IMO. And he may have not been well.

If horses are decent enough there shouldn't be dozens of lengths between them no matter what the distance of the race (especially 2m 3f to 3m)
So I'd say the other race shows he's a decent sort, rather than how he looked today.


edit - just read the rest of thread and seen the blood thing.
 
Quevega said:
I'm not optimistic.
It just wasn't his true running IMO. And he may have not been well.

If horses are decent enough there shouldn't be dozens of lengths between them no matter what the distance of the race (especially 2m 3f to 3m)
So I'd say the other race shows he's a decent sort, rather than how he looked today.
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Sounds like he bled, that's not normally a good sign going forward is it?

Be surprised if he turns up at the festival now myself.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Sounds like he bled, that's not normally a good sign going forward is it?

Be surprised if he turns up at the festival now myself.
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Blood's never good unless it's explained away.
So it depends.
 
Speaking from experience of owning a small share in a low grade flat horse that bled, Fantasio will obviously need to be checked by vet to see if it's an upper or lower airway infection. My understanding is that upper is bad, lower is not so bad. He'll be on medication for 10 days or so and wouldn't be able to run for 10 days after medication ends (wouldn't be ready to run anyway). They would then have to ease him back in, conscious that he could bleed again. So the DRF is definitely out on that basis & therefore Cheltenham would be unlikely. I could be completely wrong though.
 
Just going back to the Pure Genius, Fantasio D'alene race again today, I feel one thats gone under the radar is De Bromheads Sean Hogan
Looked to me to be running a really nice race when he tipped up 3 out, having ran quite freely.
I think there's a race to be won with this lad, whatever class is open to question.
Anybody who viewed I'd be interested in feedback.
 
Still think Wide Receiver is the one, Fantasio Dalene disappointed yesterday so looking elsewhere.

I'm not gunna lie, haven't a clue about the trainer, don't know what his expectations are, if will aim big or not but Bear Ghylls mark 140 surely a nice mark to come here off? Although as I say don't know if trainer wants the bigger goal in the likes of the AB which many still see wide open or if can compete in the ballynore. Thoughts?
 
Big Bucks said:
Still think Wide Receiver is the one, Fantasio Dalene disappointed yesterday so looking elsewhere.

I'm not gunna lie, haven't a clue about the trainer, don't know what his expectations are, if will aim big or not but Bear Ghylls mark 140 surely a nice mark to come here off? Although as I say don't know if trainer wants the bigger goal in the likes of the AB which many still see wide open or if can compete in the ballynore. Thoughts?
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The jockey when interviewed said they'd step him up in grade next time and see....

Horses have run in the Ballymore at the rating he's at currently and done okay.

He's not quoted everywhere, and PP have him 12s NRNB which isn't making me want to side with him just because I'll know I'll fancy at least 5 others between now and then and at 12's he'd take a decent chunk of my money to be worth it.

I don't see him much shorter than that on the day for example.
 
Kevloaf said:
The jockey when interviewed said they'd step him up in grade next time and see....

Horses have run in the Ballymore at the rating he's at currently and done okay.

He's not quoted everywhere, and PP have him 12s NRNB which isn't making me want to side with him just because I'll know I'll fancy at least 5 others between now and then and at 12's he'd take a decent chunk of my money to be worth it.

I don't see him much shorter than that on the day for example.
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He is an interesting one. I think there is a chunk of improvement to come if he starts respecting his hurdles more and this may happen in truer run races.
 
Big Bucks said:
Still think Wide Receiver is the one, Fantasio Dalene disappointed yesterday so looking elsewhere.

I'm not gunna lie, haven't a clue about the trainer, don't know what his expectations are, if will aim big or not but Bear Ghylls mark 140 surely a nice mark to come here off? Although as I say don't know if trainer wants the bigger goal in the likes of the AB which many still see wide open or if can compete in the ballynore. Thoughts?
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The question i had with Fantasio D'Alene is one i have with Wide Receiver, where are Gordie or Giggys standout novice hurdlers that will entice them to go for a handicap rather than trying their luck in the grade 1s?
Giggy do tend to run their horses in graded races firstly.
 
"trainer said gelding was found to have blood in the trachea on endoscopic examination post race"

looks like fantasio bled
 
jack1092 said:
The question i had with Fantasio D'Alene is one i have with Wide Receiver, where are Gordie or Giggys standout novice hurdlers that will entice them to go for a handicap rather than trying their luck in the grade 1s?
Giggy do tend to run their horses in graded races firstly.
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Yeah, Wide Receiver was taken out of a Grade 1 because of a stone bruise, I believe he'd have been running on merit that day.

I expect/hope he's entered and runs at DRF.

I will re-back him NRNB at that point for the Ballymore.
 
Have added Power of Pause for this at 25/1 with bet365 and the cashout. A mark of 136 looks ideal. Connections already have Appreciate It so the Supreme would seem very unlikely... which leaves the Ballymore or this. From what we've seen, I'm not sure he's quite up to the Ballymore, but 136 should still underestimate his ability. The intermediate trip should suit him well.
 
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Can't Catch Me said:
Have added Power of Pause for this at 25/1 with bet365 and the cashout. A mark of 136 looks ideal. Connections already have Appreciate It so the Supreme would seem very unlikely... which leaves the Ballymore or this. From what we've seen, I'm not sure he's quite up to the Ballymore, but 136 should still underestimate his ability. The intermediate trip should suit him well.
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Oh I do like that, could be a good spot.
 
I've got Captain Kangaroo down for this atm, can get at 25-33s, still a Maiden but I'm sure this horse wants further than 2m which all 3 of his hurdle races have been at. Entered in both the supreme and ballymore today but hoping he goes to this instead. He beat Kilcruit, Western Run and Frontal Assault all easily in his bumper and they've all won since.
 
Brital said:
Quevega
They have now it’s 25/1
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That’s a tasty price Brital.

Hes big odds for all his three Novice Hurdle entries, I don’t think he would win at the DRF Grade 1 over 2M or 2M6F, next weekend, and with a 136 rating, this looks a good plan with 25/1 NRNB. :barbershop_quartet_member:
 
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