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MARTIN PIPE Conditionals Handicap Hurdle 2021

Eggs said:
....I think they would. Regardless, I think they would quote a/r.
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He is/has been under-the-radar with only one Maiden hurdle tun this season though, so I wouldn't be too sure they see him as a live one for the Fez just yet.

Maybe after Monday, not before. I hope.

That's why 25/1 NRNB feels like a decent shot to nothing.
If he blows out, he wouldn't come over.
 
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What’re we thinking about Ragnar Lodbrok for this?
 
I'll be surprised if Fantasio D'Alene is the 'one' after that performance.

Only possible excuse could be the ground, other than that he was absolutely hammered.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
I'll be surprised if Fantasio D'Alene is the 'one' after that performance.

Only possible excuse could be the ground, other than that he was absolutely hammered.
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I’d like to put it down to the ground and clearly not staying 3m. He barely got over the last hurdle. Maybe 2m4 will suit (as I clutch at my straws)
 
BookieBasher said:
I’d like to put it down to the ground and clearly not staying 3m. He barely got over the last hurdle. Maybe 2m4 will suit (as I clutch at my straws)
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Haha I don't think you'll be alone clutching them :beaten:
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I'll be surprised if Fantasio D'Alene is the 'one' after that performance.

Only possible excuse could be the ground, other than that he was absolutely hammered.
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Not possible he's gone 4f further than optimum too?



He's still finished second, beaten everything else despite being knackered?


Ground and trip? I'm not crying...
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I'll be surprised if Fantasio D'Alene is the 'one' after that performance.

Only possible excuse could be the ground, other than that he was absolutely hammered.
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He'd already had his good run though, so it'll be interesting to see his mark now.
The winner's mark will also be interesting as he improved for the trip. Just a bit.
 
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Agree CoD. Won't even be coming over based on that. Gordon's dubious form continues though.... considering his price it was a truly awful run.
 
Kevloaf said:
Not possible he's gone 4f further than optimum too?



He's still finished second, beaten everything else despite being knackered?


Ground and trip? I'm not crying...
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When you say 'everything else' Kev....
 
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No chance he goes Albert now. Martin Pipe or nothing I'd say.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Agree CoD. Won't even be coming over based on that. Gordon's dubious form continues though.... considering his price it was a truly awful run.
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Now we've got Gordon out of form too!

3 reasons to forgive :distant:


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25/1 NRNB wasn't he..... not sure why everyones so upset haha


If he ran like that, then had his run with Stattler, people would be foaming.


Over reaction in my opinion. Saying he has 'no chance' when there have already been 3 reasons offered up as to why he could improve on today?






I'm not saying it was great, but it's not a write off.
 
Fantasio D'Alene is a sea of blue on oddschecker after that. If nothing else, we have found out his most probable target if he does go :nevreness:
 
Kevloaf said:
Now we've got Gordon out of form too!

3 reasons to forgive :distant:


:highly_amused:


25/1 NRNB wasn't he..... not sure why everyones so upset haha


If he ran like that, then had his run with Stattler, people would be foaming.


Over reaction in my opinion. Saying he has 'no chance' when there have already been 3 reasons offered up as to why he could improve on today?






I'm not saying it was great, but it's not a write off.
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Yep.
If that's as good as fantasio is (he's run to form), then stattler & vanillier must be fucking shit.
 
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Whatever mark he gets, probably wouldn't be enough to get in.
So he def needs another run

It would need to be either a convincing win in a "nothing" race, or a good run in a decent race at the DRF.
It's not all over yet BUT, I'm less confident than I was
 
Kevloaf said:
Not possible he's gone 4f further than optimum too?



He's still finished second, beaten everything else despite being knackered?


Ground and trip? I'm not crying...
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Last 4 Gordon Elliott main hopefuls for this race have either won or just been beat over 3m prior to coming over.

Column Of Fire 3rd of 28 beaten 1 3/4 lengths in a 3m valuable handicap at the DRF
Dallas Des Pictons 1st of 12 in a valuable 3m handicap at the DRF
Blow By Blow 1st of 5 over 2m 7f
Champagne Classic 2nd of 11 over 3m 1/2f

Fantasio D'Alene 2nd of 7 beaten 52 lengths.

We talk about patterns of trainers, I just find it highly unlikely Fantasio D'Alene is now 'the one'.

Best bet for me now will be to see which ones he enters in the William Fry handicap at the DRF, where both Column Of Fire & Dallas Des Pictons ran good races.

That said, this is Gordon, so who bloody knows!!
 
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Leman14 said:
Whatever mark he gets, probably wouldn't be enough to get in.
So he def needs another run

It would need to be either a convincing win in a "nothing" race, or a good run in a decent race at the DRF.
It's not all over yet BUT, I'm less confident than I was
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Given he split Stattler and Vanillier, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get in myself.

Surprised if they didn't factor that in and also, it's just quite clear he didn't stay well today.



I don't see why at 4f shorter, he wouldn't still be of interest.


Perhaps the Column of Fire tip last year has set the bar too high.... :loyal:


Let's see where he goes next time, and how he runs, before we get too upset. I wouldn't (and won't) cash out for now that's fo' sho.
 
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