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June Yankee

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Not much of the month to go so thought lets get it on.....
Will open it up with Energumene for the Ryanair.
 
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….perhaps we should look at 4 races where we haven’t had a Yankee selection as yet.

I’ll nominate SheWearsitWell (Mares Hurdle) available @ 14-1.
 
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Maybe have a trainer theme for this month? HDB or Mullins?
 
Eggs said:
….perhaps we should look at 4 races where we haven’t had a Yankee selection as yet.

I’ll nominate SheWearsitWell (Mares Hurdle) available @ 14-1.
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Shewearsitwell

Good one, Eggs.

Like the horse and the price
 
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Gaillard Du Mesnil - Marsh Novice Chase (20/1 Coral, 16/1 generally)

Proven at the Festival, won another Grade 1 Novice Hurdle at the mid-trip at Punchestown, and only beaten once, by Bob Olinger, in his last 4 Hurdle races.

He is from a younger age group as a 4yo turning 5 last season, so younger than Bob O, My Drogo, Bravemansgame and Appreciate It, but still won two Grade 1 hurdles and second in the Ballymore.
 
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Speculative Yankee ??. - Stattler .... nat. hunt chs.
Journey with me .... ballymore nov hdl ..
Galvin ..... Cross country chs.
Kilcruit .... Al Bartlett nov hdl .
 
BigChaang said:
Speculative Yankee ??. - Stattler .... nat. hunt chs.
Journey with me .... ballymore nov hdl ..
Galvin ..... Cross country chs.
Kilcruit .... Al Bartlett nov hdl .
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3 good picks there but what reason might Galvin be sent over banks ?
Presumably he heads back to Elliots (who still have Tiger Roll) and unless it’s all part of an elaborate Grand National plan I’d imagine they are setting their sights higher than a Cross Country.
Stranger things have happened no doubt but he would be a very short price to head elsewhere for me….
 
I haven't read any news on Galvin myself , just an idea that if the G.National were the target , then the cross country race might be the warm up for Galvin ??.
Not out of the Question to go for the Gold Cup , i suppose.
 
Istabraq said:
3 good picks there but what reason might Galvin be sent over banks ?
Presumably he heads back to Elliots (who still have Tiger Roll) and unless it’s all part of an elaborate Grand National plan I’d imagine they are setting their sights higher than a Cross Country.
Stranger things have happened no doubt but he would be a very short price to head elsewhere for me….
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That’s what Gordon did with Tiger Roll after he won the 4-Miler, as a 7yo, so that road has been trodden down already, to an immensely successful conclusion.

Good reason to look to repeat it, with the NHC winning 7yo Galvin?
 
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Saxon Warrior said:
That’s what Gordon did with Tiger Roll after he won the 4-Miler, as a 7yo, so that road has been trodden down already, to an immensely successful conclusion.

Good reason to look to repeat it, with the NHC winning 7yo Galvin?
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….I’m not sure 12-1 is sufficient temptation for XC to be its destination.
 
As can be seen in my diary I'm firmly in the Galvin XC camp. Trainers are creatures of habit, and non moreso than Gordon assuming Galvin is back in hs stable in July.

I don't think Kulcruit will be anywhere neat the Bartlett though. Ballymore most likely, but he travels really well and has a turn of foot so it would be no surprise to me if he turned up in the Supreme. Willie will have plenty of options as usual though. Of the two, Sir Gerhard looked to me as though he'd benefit more from a step up in trip, or even straight over fences.
 
Personally I feel Galvins NH Chase was a grade above Tiger Rolls and the horses that filled the places both likely to be players in big (graded) staying chases this coming season.
It’s been a while since I checked the numbers but wasn’t Galvin given an RPR of 159, that could be wrong but the point remains he looks an excellent prospect for big prizes and I can only imagine him heading for banks if they have decided on a Grand National tilt and want to avoid a mark rise battling G1 horses.
But if they should send Galvin down the XC route they have a decision to make about Tiger Roll, would they put them up against each other ?
 
Istabraq said:
Personally I feel Galvins NH Chase was a grade above Tiger Rolls and the horses that filled the places both likely to be players in big (graded) staying chases this coming season.
It’s been a while since I checked the numbers but wasn’t Galvin given an RPR of 159, that could be wrong but the point remains he looks an excellent prospect for big prizes and I can only imagine him heading for banks if they have decided on a Grand National tilt and want to avoid a mark rise battling G1 horses.
But if they should send Galvin down the XC route they have a decision to make about Tiger Roll, would they put them up against each other ?
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Different owners Istabraq, and there's been plenty of white noise about a tilt at the National next season. The requests for a price very early weren't coincidence. He was priced up when the bookies opened their markets and the traders wouldn't have added him randomly. He was requested 'before' the martkets went live.

A XC campaign like Tiger Roll's is perfect for him next season. Send him over in Oct/Nov and hunt him around out the back for experience, run him in a hurdle in Feb, win the XC after the National weights are out, and then win the National a stone plus well in. His chances of winning those two races are far greater than him being good enough to win a Gold Cup, and Gordon will know it.

The fact that you feel he was a grade above Tiger Roll also makes him pretty compelling if they go the XC/GN route.

It's worth getting some money down in my opinion. If he opens up with a race elsewhere you'll still be able to cashout, but if he gets an entry in either of the XC chases this side of Christmas he'll be unbackable for March in an instant.
 
Eggs said:
….perhaps we should look at 4 races where we haven’t had a Yankee selection as yet.

I’ll nominate SheWearsitWell (Mares Hurdle) available @ 14-1.
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SWIW or Telmesomethinggirl seem like logical selections on the back of the Black Tears retirement news
 
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SWIW or Telmesomethinggirl seem like logical selections on the back of the Black Tears retirement news
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Good point All over those two for the Mares . Can't split them. Their odds will shorten in the coming days once word of BT filters through no doubt.
 
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SWIW or Telmesomethinggirl seem like logical selections on the back of the Black Tears retirement news
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Shewearsitwell the obvious one if we're right about Echoes In Rain heading to the Champion Hurdle. I doubt Willie would send two mares to the big one. It was suggested that Willie thought she was good enough to go close in a Supreme, so combined with her breeding she's be a leading chance here with the obvious plus that we now she's been back in training and her setback was minor.

Telmesomethinggirl tried over three miles at Punchestown puts me off her slightly, although I do have her backed.

The Glancing Queen is overlooked stepped up to two and a half in mares company.

And of course Concertista may be good enough anyway. Of the mares mentioned I only really see Shewearsitwell as having the potential to be better.
 
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Spectre said:
Different owners Istabraq, and there's been plenty of white noise about a tilt at the National next season. The requests for a price very early weren't coincidence. He was priced up when the bookies opened their markets and the traders wouldn't have added him randomly. He was requested 'before' the martkets went live.

A XC campaign like Tiger Roll's is perfect for him next season. Send him over in Oct/Nov and hunt him around out the back for experience, run him in a hurdle in Feb, win the XC after the National weights are out, and then win the National a stone plus well in. His chances of winning those two races are far greater than him being good enough to win a Gold Cup, and Gordon will know it.

The fact that you feel he was a grade above Tiger Roll also makes him pretty compelling if they go the XC/GN route.

It's worth getting some money down in my opinion. If he opens up with a race elsewhere you'll still be able to cashout, but if he gets an entry in either of the XC chases this side of Christmas he'll be unbackable for March in an instant.
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All makes sense Spectre, I don’t however have the benefit of cashout so I need a degree of certainty on target with my ante post investments but you make a good case….
 
Yes of course. I forgot you don't have cashout Istabraq.
 
Spectre said:
Yes of course. I forgot you don't have cashout Istabraq.
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I wouldn’t dismiss Galvin in a Gold Cup but, as you say, the National appears the end target so it’s unlikely they’ll want a gruelling Gold Cup 3 weeks before Aintree.
If they were playing properly the Hennessy would look to be an ideal early season target with a good pot but his mark would be shot after a good effort there.
As a third season chaser he has plenty of experience so he might be seen over hurdles to protect his mark, the more I think about it the more your XC theory adds up bit I just see him being better than XC horses and, if allowed to take his chance, he should have a G1 in him this season…
 
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