June ‘23; The Roger ‘Diamond Geezer’ Hunter Yankee

[Eggs]

Time to start a thread for the June Yankee & I note last years was dedicated to Roger Hunter, our very own ‘Diamond Geezer’, so thought it nice to keep him in our thoughts.

I’m sure MoM will be back with us soon to facilitate. I don’t think we had a theme for this last year but I’m sure MoM would appreciate any thoughts.

 

[Eggs]

….I wondered if a ‘returning winners’ theme might give us a chance of finding a few successes. Folk on here will know if returning winners have a decent record & I don’t think we should be put off by nominating horses that have already been included in Yankees this year.

El Fab; A Dream to Share; Stage Star; Stay Away Fay; GDC; Premier Magic, Marine National etc must surely have chances next year.

 

[Eggs]

….’returning winners’ is just a suggestion. We can consider any theme or just look for 4 selections.

 

[nortonscoin200]

Constitution Hill (CH)
El Fabiolo (CC)
Delta Work (XC)

Impaire Et Passe (T)
or
Galopin Des Champs (GC)

 

[Eggs]

Constitution Hill (CH)
El Fabiolo (CC)
Delta Work (XC)

Impaire Et Passe (T)
or
Galopin Des Champs (GC)

….read a post that the plan is to keep IEP over hurdles but no idea how valid that is.

The Hunter Chase isn’t everybody’s cup of tea but Premier Magic was popular in the May thread, as was Envoi Allen for Ryanair. Impervious (Ryanair) well highlighted.

My own nomination if we go for returning winners would be Stay Away Fay (BANC). Nicholls said in his pre-Festival stable tour that he’s made to be a chaser.

Not sure if 4 returning winners can win again.

 

[callhimgamblor]

The problem with all the returning champs listed is that they are all short already and all already in other yankees...

Not that I have any tucked away but how about foreign wispers? French Raiders? Irish rockets on hold since last season?

I just can't see 4 shorties being a popular Yankee...

 

[Kevloaf]

I got to the Arkle and gave up...

Marine Nationale (5/1) and Facile Vega (6/1) .....

:indecisiveness:


I'm sure I used to be good at this ante post stuff :beaten:

Very hard not to fancy either of them, and neither are worth parting with cash for in June.:triumphant:

 

[Lobos]

Of the returning champs if CH stays Hurdling then id be very hopeful of the following......


CH.... Churdle
Envoi..... Ryanair
Premier Magic..... Foxhunter
Galopin.....GC


Every chance.

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[Eggs]

The problem with all the returning champs listed is that they are all short already and all already in other yankees...

Not that I have any tucked away but how about foreign wispers? French Raiders? Irish rockets on hold since last season?

I just can't see 4 shorties being a popular Yankee...

….not necessarily short, the Nicholls winners Stage Star & SAF are available at 16-1, Premier Magic is 12s.

Happy to go another route if posters prefer, we don’t have to be restricted by a theme at this point, we just need to find 4 with a chance.

Lets see what others think & decide if it’s theme or not today.

 

[nortonscoin200]

Not sure if 4 returning winners can win again.

Remember looking at the 10-year stats on this very point a couple of years ago.

From memory, I think you normally get between 4 and 7 of last year’s winners rocking up again.

So I’d say a minimum of 4 is an odds-on certainty- we just need to find the right ones:emmersed:

 

[BigChaang]

To be honest , the prices don't really bother me . I think the point of the yankees .
is to promote some discussion and have a bit of fun , obviously we'd like to get some big priced winners in there .
if possible .. so i'm always happy to go with the flow . :bee: .

 

[Eggs]

Remember looking at the 10-year stats on this very point a couple of years ago.

From memory, I think you normally get between 4 and 7 of last year’s winners rocking up again.

So I’d say a minimum of 4 is an odds-on certainty- we just need to find the right ones:emmersed:

….that’s a positive, it gives us a chance. Just had a look through this years results, we’re probably looking at 4 from;

Marine National
El Fab
Con Hill (hurdles or fences debate)
IEP (contrasting reports whether Hurdles or fences)
The Real Whacker
Energumene
Delta Work
A Dream to Share
Stage Star
Good Time Jonny (H’cap winner but some have highlighted for Stayers)
Envoi Allen
SDB
You Wear it Well
Lossiemouth
Stay Away Fay
GDC
Premier Magic
Impervious
Maskada (Mares Chase option)

 

[callhimgamblor]

To be honest , the prices don't really bother me . I think the point of the yankees .
is to promote some discussion and have a bit of fun , obviously we'd like to get some big priced winners in there .
if possible .. so i'm always happy to go with the flow . :bee: .

I agree. Only reason I like slightly longer odds picks is my habit of always going each way with cheltenham bets as there is always the oddities at the festival.

 

[callhimgamblor]

FWIW happy to get Premier Magic and Envoi into another one.

 

[HesTheOne]

….that’s a positive, it gives us a chance. Just had a look through this years results, we’re probably looking at 4 from;

• Marine National - Arkle I think he’s worth a squeak, CH matter is pointing to hurdles, Barry said he will avoid. Has schooled fences already. Looks the one to beat in the Arkle - if IEP goes CH we may see FV go Turners leaving this quite open for MN

El Fab - Love love El Fab, he's featured already in a yankee but price is pretty dismal now
Con Hill - I think he will stay hurdling, not worth getting involved at the price
IEP - conflicting reports on target as you said

• The Real Whacker - I like him, he has unreal course form and still a playable price with confirmed destination

Energumene - not for me anymore unless El Fab isn't around
Delta Work - not priced up by many firms, short enough where he is available
A Dream to Share - too early to get involved with novice hurdlers
Stage Star - Not for me PN effect
Good Time Jonny - Not for me
Envoi Allen - Not for me
SDB - Surely not....
You Wear it Well - Not for me
Lossiemouth - Super mare, featured in a yankee already and short priced. Prefer GM.
Stay Away Fay - Not for me PN effect
GDC - hmmm... possibly can play him. Incredible horse we know will be primed for this although the thought lingers.. at 2/1 I think we can wait

• Premier Magic - I like the suggestion, is a playable price, returning winners have results in the foxhunters
• Impervious - Love her, super performances one after another I think JP is covered in the mares and she could right well be a Ryanair contender as Sax pointed out

My four suggestions are

MN - Arkle
Real Whacker - GC
Premier Magic - HC
Impervious - Ryanair

14741/1 with paddy

 

[Eggs]

…I just wonder HesTheOne if Nicholls is getting his appetite back for Cheltenham. I wouldn’t readily dismiss Stage Star, Stay Away Fay (or Captain Teague) next March. I read his stable tour ahead of this years Festival and he said this about SAF;

’….he runs in the AB, there’s a lot to come from this horse. He just just lacks experience & I would like to have given him another run but it’s not worked out. I think he’s one of the best priced outsiders we have & he will make a lovely chaser next season.’

 

[nortonscoin200]

….that’s a positive, it gives us a chance. Just had a look through this years results, we’re probably looking at 4 from;

Marine National
El Fab
Con Hill (hurdles or fences debate)
IEP (contrasting reports whether Hurdles or fences)
The Real Whacker
Energumene
Delta Work
A Dream to Share
Stage Star
Good Time Jonny (H’cap winner but some have highlighted for Stayers)
Envoi Allen
SDB
You Wear it Well
Lossiemouth
Stay Away Fay
GDC
Premier Magic
Impervious

Eggs I reckon you've missed out an under-the-radar number 19 who is currently the juiciest price of the lot imo.

It's Maskada - just made the case in my diary.

PS: I hadn't considered her either when I posted the 4 shorties last night.

 

[Eggs]

…admit to skimming past Maskada nortonscoin200, be interested to know what Saxon Warrior thinks of her given how much he likes Dinoblue who finished 2nd in the Grand Annual.

 

[HesTheOne]

…I just wonder HesTheOne if Nicholls is getting his appetite back for Cheltenham. I wouldn’t readily dismiss Stage Star, Stay Away Fay (or Captain Teague) next March. I read his stable tour ahead of this years Festival and he said this about SAF;

’….he runs in the AB, there’s a lot to come from this horse. He just just lacks experience & I would like to have given him another run but it’s not worked out. I think he’s one of the best priced outsiders we have & he will make a lovely chaser next season.’

Yea I appreciate the point about PN having success at the festival this year just on those two returning winners specifically for this Yankee I'm not mad on either of them.

Stage Star - I think it was somewhat a poor renewal, Might Potter (rip) severely disappointed in the race. SS did just about beat Notlongtillmay and Appreciate It by a couple of lengths.. Combine that with the poor outing at Aintree and the forever possible chance PN does divert him for whatever reason its enough for me to disregard (for now of course). I do think there will be others I'll fancy more for the Ryanair which is the final nail in the coffin..

Stay Away Fay - Somewhat similar to SS - there was a few notable disappointments in the AB this year paired with the disappointing follow up run at Aintree (still only his 4th run that year.. so not exactly short of fitness or been ploughed all season..). Combined with the fact we haven't seen him jump a fence yet is again enough for me to not fancy him right now...

Open to hear thoughts that may suggest they should be considered stars at this stage or mutual agreements to stay away as i plan on doing..... I'll take my coat... :abnormal:

 

[Eggs]

Yea I appreciate the point about PN having success at the festival this year just on those two returning winners specifically for this Yankee I'm not mad on either of them.

Stage Star - I think it was somewhat a poor renewal, Might Potter (rip) severely disappointed in the race. SS did just about beat Notlongtillmay and Appreciate It by a couple of lengths.. Combine that with the poor outing at Aintree and the forever possible chance PN does divert him for whatever reason its enough for me to disregard (for now of course). I do think there will be others I'll fancy more for the Ryanair which is the final nail in the coffin..

Stay Away Fay - Somewhat similar to SS - there was a few notable disappointments in the AB this year paired with the disappointing follow up run at Aintree (still only his 4th run that year.. so not exactly short of fitness or been ploughed all season..). Combined with the fact we haven't seen him jump a fence yet is again enough for me to not fancy him right now...

Open to hear thoughts that may suggest they should be considered stars at this stage or mutual agreements to stay away as i plan on doing..... I'll take my coat... :abnormal:

….ha, ha. Banbridge certainly accounted for Stage Star at Aintree & SAF also came up short.