I like Rathvinden a lot myself, my only bet for the JLT so far alongside Finian's Oscar. I wasn't convinced Bamako was high in the pecking order at Willie's judging by the way he was campaigned, but he's done nothing but improve and may have surprised even them. Rathvinden without a doubt the classier horse over hurdles, but on bare form there's little between them over fences. I'd like to see both of them in the Drinmore just to get a clearer view of the JLT picture.
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JLT Novices 2018
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Race Peace News fell in. Was also another race where Labaik refused at the start, so the supreme winner last year was at least targeted at this one!
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Really hope they all line up. I'm really keen on Willoughby Court still for the JLT and can see him beating Yanworth going back left handed on Friday (and Yanworth maybe reverting back to hurdles in the aftermath). Has the air of a spring horse about him and he was soundly beaten first time up last year, so you can argue his under-par performance first time out this year was to be expected. Has the all important course form in the bag and we know he will be going from the front (and stays well) so is pretty uncomplicated. His form ties in closely with Finian's Oscar from last year and WC was always thought of as a chaser. If Finian's goes the Arkle route then i'd be confident that Willoughby Court will go close in this race. Hopefully he goes close on Friday else I could see them experimenting with going up in trip
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I'd take Adrien Du Pont over Modus from the Nicholls yard. Modus had some decent handicap Hurdle form but I'm not sure he'll improve much more for chasing. Adrien Du Pont on the other hand is very unexposed and was bought with chasing in mind and has been lightly campaigned so far.
I like adrien do pont, think he may want 3 miles in time though. Think yanworth runs over modus so may be irrelevant.
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Any thoughts on the other potential JP runner in this, Jerrysback? He's on my radar but not even seen an entry so far and the clock is ticking for novice chasers to make their debuts.
IT was suggested he might take in a handicap hurdle first but that seems unlikely now!
Hes out on Sunday in the drinmore. More likely 2 m4 for the festival atm but that could easily all change
8 left in the Drinmore; Death Duty, Rathvinden, Snow Falcon, Tombstone, Townshend, Shattered Love, Tout Est Permis, and Dinaria Des Obeaux.
It will be interesting to see how much is between Death Duty and Rathvinden in the betting, because on form and ratings there really is very little if anything at all. Dinaria Des Obeaux could be interesting with her allowance, but shouldn't be at these guys' level. Rathvinden running has to be a positive for his JLT backers, not so much for those on Bamako Moriviere.
Intersting PP go 20/1 for the JLT while everyone else is 33/1. I'd be mopping that up if I wasn't already on.
It will be interesting to see how much is between Death Duty and Rathvinden in the betting, because on form and ratings there really is very little if anything at all. Dinaria Des Obeaux could be interesting with her allowance, but shouldn't be at these guys' level. Rathvinden running has to be a positive for his JLT backers, not so much for those on Bamako Moriviere.
Intersting PP go 20/1 for the JLT while everyone else is 33/1. I'd be mopping that up if I wasn't already on.
Actually think dinaria des obeaux could go close off that weight. The betting will be interesting and tombstone not completely out of it he sticks on well of the bridle.
All in all death duty will be a strong fav but very competative and interesting race none of them without a chance.
Dont think Bamako moriviere not being declared hurts his future targets assuming all is well.
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I’d rather the 20s any race with Hills for Rathvinden. He’s won over further and saw him tipped for the 4 miler earlier in the season (though would think this unlikely now) so could go anywhere. Winner of the Drinmore often ends up over further as well
Keen to see Snow Falcon in this race too... Big fan of his, travelled well last time out just didn't quite get home, jumping looked sound too which is always a bonus. Not too sure on his intended target, but this will certainly give me a good idea on his class over the larger obstacles!
Hes good. Too highly rated for a handicap and too good realistically. I'd like to see him on good to soft again at some point but might not get the chance before chelt. Exactly the same goes for death duty to be fair. Some training performance with rathvinden so far and touch wood he stays sound for connections. Possibly rather than ground dependant he's come on for each run but time will tell
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Don't see Death Duty going anywhere but the RSA tbh, but that's purely my opinion, not an awful lot to back that up with yet either, just have this niggly feeling.
Fair point, it's very hard to know really. At this stage I'd have Bacardys as the RSA horse, Rathvinden as the JLT horse and maybe let Bamako take his chance alongside him. As I've said I wasn't convinced of his standing in the pecking order, but the form of his last races has worked out exceptionally well so he has every right to take his chance in some of the big ones this season. Not sure Willie has, or needs, a 4 miler.
Interestingly, none of Wilie's JLT winners ran in the Drinmore, the Killiney Novice Chase at Leopardstown at the back end of January seems to be the main pointer. Will watch the entries for that closely.