Gordon Elliott 2020 Handicap Performances

[somer1]

A Fat Jockey videoconference preview night would be a very good idea.

I've hosted and contributed to a few local preview nights and they've been good fun. The key is to do it as late as possible, and to have the handicaps as the main focus. Everyone is already already fully committed to the other races, and the preview circuit talk about nothing else.

If there's genuine interest I'd happily organise something just for us.

Might be up for it if not a work night. Will have to chalk me head so the light dont dazzle you :highly_amused:

 

[jonthehammer]

Entries

Fantasio D'Alene - 24/10 , One Down - 23/10

 

[nortonscoin200]

Interesting stats on Gordon and Willie

 

[Kevloaf]

Interesting stats on Gordon and Willie

Updated Post 1 to include the additional stats on the race by race breakdown of Gordon's handicap runners from 2016 to 2019. Also what backing them blind would have achieved.

Then the race by race breakdown on Willie's handicap runners over the last 5 years, and again, the backing blind results.





Well worth highlighting again NC, as people are rustling around in the handicap markets.

 

[Ray]

Lovely stuff, hope im not being lazy asking for people to drag this out, i just aint too cluey about where to find it on the forum..this is of huge help this evening, where im looking into my handicaps (not too sriously)

 

[Kevloaf]

Lovely stuff, hope im not being lazy asking for people to drag this out, i just aint too cluey about where to find it on the forum..this is of huge help this evening, where im looking into my handicaps (not too sriously)

Not at all, NC mentioned it to me before I'd read your post, wasn't sure if this was the exact same one but obviously this one sticks in my head as I started it.


Hopefully you and others find it useful again, especially as some newer members may not have seen it.

 

[Ray]

I dont wanna be lazy and back every elliot handicapper, but it “narf temptin”

 

[Kevloaf]

I dont wanna be lazy and back every elliot handicapper, but it “narf temptin”

It isn't something you could do ante post because you'd be backing far too many horses...but it would be profitable NRNB if you're bank is big enough.

 

[Jrow]

I made a note of 2 horses Gordon entered at the Cheltenham open meeting but never ran.

Dallas Des Pictons
Tullybeg

Probably nothing but I always wonder if hes putting the feelers out for their handicap marks

 

[Ray]

Yh corse he is, id imagine hes just testing the waters to see how he can manipulate?!

 

[Jrow]

Ill be keeping an eye on both anyway. Dallas des pictons will be heading the pertemps

 

[Lobos]

Basically, back all Gordon's blind in the Pertempts but lay all his for a place in the County Hurdle. Easy money.

 

[nortonscoin200]

These stats show the handicaps where Gordon and Willie have had most runners over the last five years.

It's perhaps surprising that Gordon only leads Willie 86-73 in handicap entries over this period.

But Willie very much targets mainly the Coral, County and Martin Pipe - and it's the County which has produced by far his strongest return with 2 victories and 5 placed efforts from 18 runners.

Willie has only had 19 runners in total in the other 7 handicaps during that period - and they have produced a return of just 2 placed efforts.

And the stats say you'd be better off having Gordon on your side in every handicap apart from the County where all 9 of his entries have blanked.

I haven't totted up the numbers but I get the impression that Gordon has a lot of young chasers this year who could go down the handicap route at the Festival.

So it'll be interesting to see if he bucks his own trend over the last 5 years of not having multiple entries in many of those races.

He's targeted the Kim Muir more than any other handicap chase but has still only saddled 7 runners in 5 years.

So it could be a risky approach to expect him to have multiple entries in these handicap chases.

Nearly three-quarters of his handicap entries have been over hurdles - split between the Pipe, Boodles, Coral, Pertemps and County.

All 9 of his County runners have bombed.

But his strike rate from 51 runners in the other four handicap hurdles has been a spectacular 50 per cent bagging either a win or place - with 8 wins 18 placed and 25 unplaced.

So keeping it simple it's basically: back Gordon in the Pipe, Boodles, Coral and Pertemps and follow Willie in the County.

Gordon's also got a great record in the Kim Muir but don't expect him to have more than 2 runners and maybe only 1.

His record in the other handicaps isn't too shabby either but he's likely to have only one starter at most.

Willie is not worth following in any of the other handicaps apart from maybe the Coral where he has won once and had 2 placed efforts from 21 starters which is not great for punting purposes.

At least Willie's record still gives hope that Capodanno might have a chance in the County next year!!


Gordon

Martin Pipe 17 (W2 P5 UNP 10)
Boodles 14 (W2 P4 UNP8)
Coral 11 (W1 P3 UNP7)
Pertemps 9 (W3 P6 UNP 0)
County 9 (W0 P0 UNP9)
Kim Muir 7 (W2 P1 UNP 4)
Close Bros 6 (W0 P2 UNP4)
Ultima 5 (W0 P1 UNP 4)
Grand Annual 4 (W1 P1 UNP2)
Plate 4 (W1 P1 UNP2)

Willie

Coral 24 (W1 P2 UNP 21)
County 18 (W2 P5 UNP 11)
Martin Pipe 12 (W0 P2 UNP 10)
Brown P 5 (W0 P1 UNP 4)
Boodles 3 (W0 P1 UNP2)
Kim Muir 3 (W0 P0 UNP3)
Grand Annual 3 (W0 P0 UNP3)
Close Bros 3 (W0 P0 UNP 3)
Ultima 1 (W0 P0 UNP 1)
Pertemps 1 (W0 P0 UNP 1)

 

[Outlaw]

Top work NC/Kev (whoever updated it)adding to an already good thread. :encouragement:

 

[charlie]

Fantastic piece of work Kev, going to go through that in detail later!