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[TigerRolllllll]

PLEASE HELP - Betfair negative balance

Just after todays changes at 12pm, my Betfair account moved from credit into a negative, forcing me to top up

I have queried this with BF and they say this can happen as markets shift, but will correct itself and not to worry

However, please tell me if i am being a thickie here....i don't see how this is possible? I thought BF always remove from your balance the highest liability in that race? So, when horses come out, the balance can and does move up as your biggest losers are withdrawn.....but i don't understand how it can move negative?

I do recall BF had issues with a fault on this a few years ago, so thinking it has possibly happened again?

Has anyone else had this experience, or can anyone explain this who understands the exchanges well

Thanks for any help & have a great week all

 

[ComplyOrDie]

PLEASE HELP - Betfair negative balance

Just after todays changes at 12pm, my Betfair account moved from credit into a negative, forcing me to top up

I have queried this with BF and they say this can happen as markets shift, but will correct itself and not to worry

However, please tell me if i am being a thickie here....i don't see how this is possible? I thought BF always remove from your balance the highest liability in that race? So, when horses come out, the balance can and does move up as your biggest losers are withdrawn.....but i don't understand how it can move negative?

I do recall BF had issues with a fault on this a few years ago, so thinking it has possibly happened again?

Has anyone else had this experience, or can anyone explain this who understands the exchanges well

Thanks for any help & have a great week all

I had this before, really annoying!

I went on live chat and got it rectified and they sorted it 'as a gesture of good will'.

It wasn't a huge amount though, so that's probably why!

 

[TigerRolllllll]

I had this before, really annoying!

I went on live chat and got it rectified and they sorted it 'as a gesture of good will'.

It wasn't a huge amount though, so that's probably why!

But they are saying it’s not wrong ?? I don’t get how it’s possible except in error …,it’s a fair bit too sadly

 

[Prestbury]

PLEASE HELP - Betfair negative balance

Just after todays changes at 12pm, my Betfair account moved from credit into a negative, forcing me to top up

I have queried this with BF and they say this can happen as markets shift, but will correct itself and not to worry

However, please tell me if i am being a thickie here....i don't see how this is possible? I thought BF always remove from your balance the highest liability in that race? So, when horses come out, the balance can and does move up as your biggest losers are withdrawn.....but i don't understand how it can move negative?

I do recall BF had issues with a fault on this a few years ago, so thinking it has possibly happened again?

Has anyone else had this experience, or can anyone explain this who understands the exchanges well

Thanks for any help & have a great week all

Not sure if this is the reason for you but this can happen due to supplementary entries. For example if you had laid Inothewayourthinkin back in December at say 21 for £10 then you would have £200 taken from your available balance to cover the liability. When the horse was scratched from the race his price would be set to 1 on Betfair and the £200 would be released back to your available balance. You then use this balance to place other bets and the available balance reduces to say £50. The horse is then supplemented and so your original liability becomes real again and they have to reduce your available balance by £200 - in this example turning it into negative £150.

 

[TigerRolllllll]

Not sure if this is the reason for you but this can happen due to supplementary entries. For example if you had laid Inothewayourthinkin back in December at say 21 for £10 then you would have £200 taken from your available balance to cover the liability. When the horse was scratched from the race his price would be set to 1 on Betfair and the £200 would be released back to your available balance. You then use this balance to place other bets and the available balance reduces to say £50. The horse is then supplemented and so your original liability becomes real again and they have to reduce your available balance by £200 - in this example turning it into negative £150.

Great example !!! Not sure if that or another horse like this ….but it makes sense ….abd ctuslly poss I did lay Ino as it happens

Thanks for taking the time to write this - appreciate it

UPDATE - I did lay it !!! That’s it sorted …,thx again ur a genius

 

[Odin]

No wonder the site has been slow recently. There has been town populations on here

Most users ever online was 64,923 at 05:00 PM on 1 March 2025.

ChatGPT and DeepSeek very much in a Cheltenham prediction model fight off me thinks :smiley_simmons:

 

[Yosser]

Had a bit of an idea. This could just be a bad idea as i am sat here waiting for the action to start unfolding but i think the site could incorporate a members chat box. Obviously we all comment on individual threads but there could be a pop up box which would be perfect for weeks like this where people could just accumulate in the same space and just generally abuse each other or chat :emmersed:

 

[Runragged]

Had a bit of an idea. This could just be a bad idea as i am sat here waiting for the action to start unfolding but i think the site could incorporate a members chat box. Obviously we all comment on individual threads but there could be a pop up box which would be perfect for weeks like this where people could just accumulate in the same space and just generally abuse each other or chat :emmersed:

I remember years ago an old racing message board I was on used to do a chat room while the racing was on. Was limited to 20 people so had to be early getting in! All before mobile phones became more than just phones

 

[Liammet]

Will the live docs discussion go here or go into each individual race as they are declared ?

Can't remember if we had a live decs thread last year

 

[Yosser]

ChatGPT and DeepSeek very much in a Cheltenham prediction model fight off me thinks :smiley_simmons:

Chat GPT is an unreal tool. It gave me a new gym routine based on my age, sex, height, weight and BMI and gave me a diet plan for 10% fat. You have just given me an idea. I just asked it this......

can you give me the most likely 1,2,3 in the 2025 supreme novices hurdle ChatGPT said:


The 2025 Supreme Novices' Hurdle, the opening race of the Cheltenham Festival, features a competitive field. Based on current form and expert analyses, the top contenders are:

1. Kopek Des Bordes: Trained by Willie Mullins, Kopek Des Bordes remains unbeaten, having secured a decisive 13-length victory at the Dublin Racing Festival. Despite limited experience at Cheltenham, his impressive performances have made him a strong favourite for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle
2. Salvator Mundi: Also under the guidance of Willie Mullins, Salvator Mundi has shown consistent form this season, achieving back-to-back victories. His recent performances position him as a leading contender in the race.
3. Workahead: Trained by Henry de Bromhead, Workahead impressed with a 7-length win at Leopardstown. He is considered a strong each-way prospect for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.

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[Odin]

Chat GPT is an unreal tool. It gave me a new gym routine based on my age, sex, height, weight and BMI and gave me a diet plan for 10% fat. You have just given me an idea. I just asked it this......

can you give me the most likely 1,2,3 in the 2025 supreme novices hurdle ChatGPT said:


The 2025 Supreme Novices' Hurdle, the opening race of the Cheltenham Festival, features a competitive field. Based on current form and expert analyses, the top contenders are:

1. Kopek Des Bordes: Trained by Willie Mullins, Kopek Des Bordes remains unbeaten, having secured a decisive 13-length victory at the Dublin Racing Festival. Despite limited experience at Cheltenham, his impressive performances have made him a strong favourite for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle
2. Salvator Mundi: Also under the guidance of Willie Mullins, Salvator Mundi has shown consistent form this season, achieving back-to-back victories. His recent performances position him as a leading contender in the race.
3. Workahead: Trained by Henry de Bromhead, Workahead impressed with a 7-length win at Leopardstown. He is considered a strong each-way prospect for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.

​

Yeah, it's excellent - although there's nothing massively unknown in the answer there.

One of the things I've been thinking of doing is using it to establish trends for races - I know we have them here and there's a few exceptional users of them, but anything we take out has a tinge of subjective bias (which can be a really good thing) so I'd be keen to see a completely objective view. Only problem is that the results we get would be dependent on the format/information within the input, so I've been loosely trying to figure out how to put a PDF or some form of data sheet together so that it can figure all these things out and see if there's any nuggets that we've missed. Maybe a job for the summer when next week is out of the way...

 

[Deleted member 4957]

No wonder the site has been slow recently. There has been town populations on here

Most users ever online was 64,923 at 05:00 PM on 1 March 2025.

Good to see you Yosser
I doubt there's ever been more than a few hundred actual people online at any point, we have 100 or so regular members/posters and no doubt lurkers who sign up and don't post, the wild numbers you can see online will be machines, it wasn't that long ago the Russians invaded spamming every thread before they were manually deleted and banned, I think Kevloaf did something clever that prevented them from getting through in the end.
It's all a foreign language to me but whatever funds have been/will be raised can be used to improve the site, which is good news for us all...

 

[Ballybeen]

Im out in Portugal and have bought an express vpn but can’t get on likes of hills and bet365 anybody any ideas what i can do? Thanks.

 

[Eggs]

Im out in Portugal and have bought an express vpn but can’t get on likes of hills and bet365 anybody any ideas what i can do? Thanks.

….i use Nord VPN when abroad but there’s still a few firms that block it. Hopefully somebody can help you get around it.

 

[Ice]

Im out in Portugal and have bought an express vpn but can’t get on likes of hills and bet365 anybody any ideas what i can do? Thanks.

Try using browser and not app and turn WiFi off.

 

[Black Dog]

Try using browser and not app and turn WiFi off.

And location.

 

[Liammet]

Im out in Portugal and have bought an express vpn but can’t get on likes of hills and bet365 anybody any ideas what i can do? Thanks.

Try location off and mobile data on in settings menu

 

[EnvoiAlien]

Had a bit of an idea. This could just be a bad idea as i am sat here waiting for the action to start unfolding but i think the site could incorporate a members chat box. Obviously we all comment on individual threads but there could be a pop up box which would be perfect for weeks like this where people could just accumulate in the same space and just generally abuse each other or chat :emmersed:

Whatsapp group might be handy,be a fair few of us on course who will be hearing/seeing things that might struggle to get online, I'm catching up with a old mate who is now a race planner for a well regarded Irish trainer,he's pretty well connected so might have some odd titbits for me *cough*

 

[Zachx02]

Chat GPT is an unreal tool. It gave me a new gym routine based on my age, sex, height, weight and BMI and gave me a diet plan for 10% fat. You have just given me an idea. I just asked it this......

can you give me the most likely 1,2,3 in the 2025 supreme novices hurdle ChatGPT said:


The 2025 Supreme Novices' Hurdle, the opening race of the Cheltenham Festival, features a competitive field. Based on current form and expert analyses, the top contenders are:

1. Kopek Des Bordes: Trained by Willie Mullins, Kopek Des Bordes remains unbeaten, having secured a decisive 13-length victory at the Dublin Racing Festival. Despite limited experience at Cheltenham, his impressive performances have made him a strong favourite for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle
2. Salvator Mundi: Also under the guidance of Willie Mullins, Salvator Mundi has shown consistent form this season, achieving back-to-back victories. His recent performances position him as a leading contender in the race.
3. Workahead: Trained by Henry de Bromhead, Workahead impressed with a 7-length win at Leopardstown. He is considered a strong each-way prospect for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.

​

Will run both my AI models later when the racing post gets the racecards updated and post both of their choices, new one takes into account previous form directly unlike the previous one which only took into account cumulative stats so interested to see how both performances albeit a 4 day festival isn't very representative of performance given variance!

And also gives me an excuse to work a bypass to the racing posts stupid new policy of needing to have an account to look at the full form of a horse

 

[EnvoiAlien]

Will run both my AI models later when the racing post gets the racecards updated and post both of their choices, new one takes into account previous form directly unlike the previous one which only took into account cumulative stats so interested to see how both performances albeit a 4 day festival isn't very representative of performance given variance!

And also gives me an excuse to work a bypass to the racing posts stupid new policy of needing to have an account to look at the full form of a horse

You should google Bill Benter, if you could use some of his system parameters it'd be interesting to see if the AI could refine his work,he did alright with his work though.