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[ComplyOrDie]

Depends also on how they (JP's lot) rate Final Demand.

They might be worried to put there best 2 horses in against him, rather than split them and run one against 2 headbangers in the supreme-
Kopek & Salvator are like the Jedward of horse racing.

Do you think this matters much?

They probably knew how good Constitution Hill was and still went against him with Jonbon. Can't imagine Henderson decides these things, we know JP and his crew are in charge, or do you think they are different with Hendo trained horses?

 

[That Horse]

Depends also on how they (JP's lot) rate Final Demand.

They might be worried to put there best 2 horses in against him, rather than split them and run one against 2 headbangers in the supreme-
Kopek & Salvator are like the Jedward of horse racing.

I think I read somewhere that Kel Histoire was more likely for Turners as well which might add fuel to Kawa going to the shorter distance. Clear as mud.

 

[Quevega]

Do you think this matters much?

They probably knew how good Constitution Hill was and still went against him with Jonbon. Can't imagine Henderson decides these things, we know JP and his crew are in charge, or do you think they are different with Hendo trained horses?

Constitution Hill and Hendo have nothing to do with it.
And that hindsight mantra is bullshit.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Constitution Hill and Hendo have nothing to do with it.
And that hindsight mantra is bullshit.

So why does it matter how they rate Final Demand?

Would they not have rated Constitution Hill? Or any other horse, for that matter?

 

[riccirich]

I think I read somewhere that Kel Histoire was more likely for Turners as well which might add fuel to Kawa going to the shorter distance. Clear as mud.

If I recall right, willie seemed to think kel histoire should be stepped up, but fran or Frank berry (jp racing manager) seemed to be happy to keep him to 2m. Willie also thinks kawaboomga should be stepped up, so I'd say he might now agree that kel histoire sticks to 2m, as I'd say he'd like to run what looks the best of the two in the turners, rather than another to add to the supreme list.

 

[Irish Rugby]

Fun Fun Fun was yet another one off horse that Willie has sent across the water this season to get stuffed. Including quite a few that Patrick has ridden in mid weeks.

Very few has won. I do wish I had laid them all. Seems all a bit strange.

 

[Saxon Warrior]

Worth checking your PP cash outs, I've just managed to cash out Ma Jacks Hill for full stake when it's been greyed out with no offer since his run at Christmas. Normally when they go NRNB they grey the Ante Post cash outside out but that hasn't happened this year.

PP/BFR refused to add Ma Jacks Hill back into their antepost markets after he was beaten.

That's why he, and another one of Gordon's Bumper horses, Classic Creek, would be greyed out for a while.

Classic Creek got added back in a few weeks later so his Cashout mayhave been turned on at that point

Same with Ma Jacks Hill. He's not been in their market for over a month.
Is he back in it now?
Hence your Cashout offer?

P.Power have gone double markets for the 1st time this year, with antepost and NRNB.

This could mean their cashout (like B365s) may just carry on now, rather than it get pulled at the same time in the past as when their antepost markets were replaced by NRNB ones.

Looking to see if Betfair do the same with double markets this time round and leave all Festival Cashouts up.

 

[Quevega]

So why does it matter how they rate Final Demand?

Would they not have rated Constitution Hill? Or any other horse, for that matter?

They will always have their own thoughts, it's just normal.
They may think the opposite and feel having two against him is best.
But they will have an opinion on opposition for sure.

 

[Quevega]

I think Kel Histoire is likely down the pecking order now and may need to show himself in the next week or two.

 

[riccirich]

PP/BFR refused to add Ma Jacks Hill back into their antepost markets after he was beaten.

That's why he, and another one of Gordon's Bumper horses, Classic Creek, would be greyed out for a while.

Classic Creek got added back in a few weeks later so his Cashout mayhave been turned on at that point

Same with Ma Jacks Hill. He's not been in their market for over a month.
Is he back in it now?
Hence your Cashout offer?

P.Power have gone double markets for the 1st time this year, with antepost and NRNB.

This could mean their cashout (like B365s) may just carry on now, rather than it get pulled at the same time in the past as when their antepost markets were replaced by NRNB ones.

Looking to see if Betfair do the same with double markets this time round and leave all Festival Cashouts up.

Ma jacks has been back in the antepost and nrnb markets on pp for a while now, I cashed my bets on him earlier this week. But even when they are not added back to the market, cash out can still be available on them sometimes. Was scrolling through my bets a while back on the site and noticed cash out had come back for butch cassidy in the turners which I quickly cashed, even though he wasn't in the turners market at the time.

 

[Mighty]

Ma jacks has been back in the antepost and nrnb markets on pp for a while now, I cashed my bets on him earlier this week. But even when they are not added back to the market, cash out can still be available on them sometimes. Was scrolling through my bets a while back on the site and noticed cash out had come back for butch cassidy in the turners which I quickly cashed, even though he wasn't in the turners market at the time.

Happened for me with Belloccio which I took a flyer at for the Supreme at 50/1 pre hurdling debut. Cashout locked during race, never reopened… until for some reason he was still in the Supreme entries a couple of weeks back. Cashout reopened and I cashed immediately for no loss. I reckon there’s a fair few of them in the same boat.

 

[Durham Edition]

PP/BFR refused to add Ma Jacks Hill back into their antepost markets after he was beaten.

That's why he, and another one of Gordon's Bumper horses, Classic Creek, would be greyed out for a while.

Classic Creek got added back in a few weeks later so his Cashout mayhave been turned on at that point

Same with Ma Jacks Hill. He's not been in their market for over a month.
Is he back in it now?
Hence your Cashout offer?

P.Power have gone double markets for the 1st time this year, with antepost and NRNB.

This could mean their cashout (like B365s) may just carry on now, rather than it get pulled at the same time in the past as when their antepost markets were replaced by NRNB ones.

Looking to see if Betfair do the same with double markets this time round and leave all Festival Cashouts up.

Yes he is back in both markets think the AP price was 33's

 

[Quevega]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-sE3VLJRlQ

Couldn't think of a worse guest to have on this quickfire segment than fucking rory bremner.
Says fucking loads of shit without saying anything and he's a fucking journalist.

Dan's assessment on Brighterdaysahead is perfect and as grown intelligent men then they really ought to make the right choice.

In fact Dan was pretty spot on in most of this.

 

[Carnage at Taunton]

Pretty much my thoughts.
Think kawaboomga might be a threat in either race.

Me too sir !!

 

[Eggs]

Gordon Elliott expressed himself pleased with how some of his major Cheltenham Festival contenders worked after racing at Navan on Sunday.

A talented team which included Brighterdaysahead, Teahupoo, The Wallpark and Romeo Coolio enjoyed a day out at the County Meath track, where Elliott had earlier posted a treble.

Connections are still to decide whether Brighterdaysahead will bid for Champion Hurdle glory or go for the Mares’ Hurdle at Prestbury Park, but she was reported in rude health whatever ends up the target.

Teahupoo is on course to defend his Stayers’ Hurdle crown and could be joined by The Wallpark in that contest, while Romeo Coolio is a leading fancy for the curtain-raising Supreme Novices’ Hurdle.

Elliott said: “It is a day away just to get a blow into them. The mare (Brighterdaysahead), very happy with her – very happy with them all. Sam (Ewing) rode the mare.

“Romeo Coolio was Jake Coen and galloped well. We gave him a little break after his last run, he got a bit light so he will come on from it.

“Wodhooh and Pied Piper galloped well. Jody McGarvey rode Wodhooh, who galloped very well.

“Danny Gilligan was very happy with Teahupoo. The Wallpark was good with Carl (Millar).

“Jalon D’oudairies, who was third in the Champion Bumper at Cheltenham, galloped very well, happy with him. He’ll go back to Cheltenham. Harry Swan rode him.

“They did a mile and six (furlongs) and got a good blow.”
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[Eggs]

……looks like entry/scratch date tomorrow, maybe time to review cash-out;

Champion Hurdle	January 14th	February 11th	March 5th
Mares Hurdle	January 14th	February 11th	March 5th
Stayers	January 14th	February 11th	March 7th
Supreme	January 21st	February 11th	March 5th
Arkle	January 21st	February 11th	March 5th
BANC	January 21st	February 11th	March 6th
Turners NH	January 21st	February 11th	March 6th
Albert Bartlett	January 21st	February 11th	March 8th
Triumph	January 21st	February 11th	March 8th
Mares Novices' Hurdle	February 11th		March 7th
Mares Chase	February 11th		March 8th

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[Carnage at Taunton]

Yep, agreed, believe Boomga goes supreme as well as Walsh best chance in supreme. Especially with JO having TNL in Turners. Best two chances of winning both races??

So basically ignoring trainer actually name checking the Turners for Kawa?

 

[Quevega]

So basically ignoring trainer actually name checking the Turners for Kawa?

Willie would have been told off for that.

 

[Rooster Booster]

Willie would have been told off for that.

So a 3/1 split of Willies top 4 novices. If JP insists maybe the forum gets a last minute reprieve and Willie makes it 2/2 or even 2/1/1. I am not mentioning this in the novice hurdle thread and fwiw believe Kawa will run in the turners but accept if you are right about Kawa Willie will not want three of his top 4 in the same race. He has hamstrung himself with SM so he could well have bowled himself a googly here with all his post race comments and dogmatism. I wonder if JP is a little pissed right now with Willies post race ejaculaions.

 

[Quevega]

So a 3/1 split of Willies top 4 novices. If JP insists maybe the forum gets a last minute reprieve and Willie makes it 2/2 or even 2/1/1. I am not mentioning this in the novice hurdle thread and fwiw believe Kawa will run in the turners but accept if you are right about Kawa Willie will not want three of his top 4 in the same race. He has hamstrung himself with SM so he could well have bowled himself a googly here with all his post race comments and dogmatism. I wonder if JP is a little pissed right now with Willies post race ejaculaions.

I'm not strong on where I think Kawaboomga will run, just think there's a chance he goes supreme and that what Willie said post race counts for very little.
They'll run the horse where they want to and tell Willy so.

Pretty sure all trainers of JP horses are generally told to be as tight lipped as possible, unless it's blatantly obvious.

Like I mentioned, if JP was more impressed with Final Demand, then this may sway his choice somewhat, but he might not have been.