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XCC decision is an awful one. There is already two similar handicaps earlier in the season. Would of been better having a graded win penalty system. Instead now half the field if not more will probably end up running out of the handicap as Elliott will still use it as a prep for the Grand National!

I assume novice chasers will be ineligible for the handicap chases? Otherwise it would just defeat the objective as well.
 
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Runragged said:
XCC decision is an awful one. There is already two similar handicaps earlier in the season. Would of been better having a graded win penalty system. Instead now half the field if not more will probably end up running out of the handicap as Elliott will still use it as a prep for the Grand National!

I assume novice chasers will be ineligible for the handicap chases? Otherwise it would just defeat the objective as well.
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Makes betting on the 3 races easier i reckon. They are no longer book builders races. Just trying to find the best handicapped ones. Saxon, you got more work to do this year :welcoming::welcoming:
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Woeful decision.

These changes need suspending until 2026 or there should have been an announcement stipulating changes to specific races way back after the last festival.

I really like the Turners, but now we get to watch Willie send 5 to the Arkle and 5 to the BANC, terrific.
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Exactly this, the changes won’t have the positive impact that they think it will. British trainers will target aintree even more now as Willie will split his battalion between the 2 races
 
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Brilliant news. :encouragement:
They made us well aware that changes were coming, and it looks like all three wanky races (for different reasons) are going to be handicaps, which is a lot better IMO.
Just need a tweak to who can run in the open handicaps and then we're laughing, and maybe even some changes to the penalty system in the mares races.
 
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Mixed feelings. Wasn't a fan of the Turners and making the XC a handicap seems fair enough, but from an antepost perspective both offered opportunities whereas handicaps are a pain in the arse for the most part. For me anyway :boxing: Obviously you can argue that it makes it easier to work out whether a horse is heading to the Arkle or BANC, but prices will naturally be worse as a result and whilst the intermediate trip muddied the water, it did reward being on the right side of taking a view. I really hope the NHC is left alone, it's been good to most of us I suspect.
 
Quevega said:
Brilliant news. :encouragement:
They made us well aware that changes were coming, and it looks like all three wanky races (for different reasons) are going to be handicaps, which is a lot better IMO.
Just need a tweak to who can run in the open handicaps and then we're laughing, and maybe even some changes to the penalty system in the mares races.
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I'm delighted with it as well. They haven't gone far enough yet imo but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

The Mullins issue I've seen mentioned is difficult to control. I'd imagine he'll run a few in the Manifesto at Aintree so they'll profit from this move too.
 
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Not sure it's all out there, and if they are going to drip feed the changes or not,
Kevin Blake is suggesting it may just be the 2 races converting to handicaps (turners and x country) and a further increase in the number of runs needed to be able to run in a handicap hurdle !!
Not sure how many 5 or 6 ?

Looks like they bottled making changes to the mares races in terms of previous grade 1 wins that was discussed in the summer (think a lot of trainers suggested it would mean a collapse in the mares in training) I disagree on that for sure. As previously discussed, they could have simply moved the race, so the best could run in the champion as well, rather than have the boring choice that seems to come up every season when there's a good mare about, which is most seasons now.
 
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Faugheen_Machine said:
I'm delighted with it as well. They haven't gone far enough yet imo but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

The Mullins issue I've seen mentioned is difficult to control. I'd imagine he'll run a few in the Manifesto at Aintree so they'll profit from this move too.
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Yeah, his runners and the ammo he has is another issue and not really related to this IMO.

I actually think he'll probably not send as many, especially if they change the NH chase as well.
Reason being, is that he'll have easier decisions to make himself in terms of which race to aim his horses at and whose the best of them at 2 miles and 3 miles prior to March.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
Woeful decision.

These changes need suspending until 2026 or there should have been an announcement stipulating changes to specific races way back after the last festival.

I really like the Turners, but now we get to watch Willie send 5 to the Arkle and 5 to the BANC, terrific.
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Agree that Mullins will block book, but we're already seeing 3+ in those races anyway so I'm not sure it'll make much of a difference. Also, Mullins no. 1 is almost always the horse to be on, so it's not necessarily making either race harder for the other trainers to win. I can't think of many times in the past few years that adding his Turners horse to one or tother would have been a big deal. Facile Vega could have come 4th in the Arkle I guess. Galopin is the obvious one but anything would have been better than that two runner race
 
Now that we know Ballyburn will have no intention in running in the Turner's, is it now a given he will be running in the Arkle?
Currently 5/2 to win but considering sky bet are paying out less than evens for him to win any race, is 5/2 now a steal? I think we are all in agreement that Ballyburn wins any race it enters so are the current 5/2 odds decent?
 
Ballybeen said:
Ladbrokes already returned my turners bets.
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Corals showing Turners bet's as Void ( in multi's ) , but not refunded .
But i guess they will wait until the rest have run or not , before refunding.
 
BigChaang said:
Corals showing Turners bet's as Void ( in multi's ) , but not refunded .
But i guess they will wait until the rest have run or not , before refunding.
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Coral refunded my singles Turners bets yesterday. I guess any multis will just have the Turners selection removed, leaving any others in play.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
Woeful decision.

These changes need suspending until 2026 or there should have been an announcement stipulating changes to specific races way back after the last festival.

I really like the Turners, but now we get to watch Willie send 5 to the Arkle and 5 to the BANC, terrific.
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And this is why racing is a laughing stock. Even Stevie Wonder could see these changes should be put back till 2026 :highly_amused:
 
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BigChaang said:
I'm Going to Corals today , I'll see if they will do a refund for my Turners - shop bet .??.
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Sounds like a good idea :encouragement:

They seem to be first off the mark in refunds

Maybe the others are waiting for the official word on all changes, rather than the current "leaked" word on some of the changes.
 
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