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Let’s Talk is poor, in my opinion. Two lads trying to boost their profiles. Good for them, but there’s just no substance.

Not sure there’s a better source of ‘tips’ than on here.

For general enjoyment, I like UTA, RTC, and the new Paddy Power podcast. Off The Fence is ok.
 
When should we expect to see the pre festival stable tours starting to come out?
 
Just be careful with these stable tours, there are so many these days that info given on one can differ on another.
It’s been said many times before but Mullins, in particular, won’t make firm decisions on targets on many of his until a week before racing…
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCmPb4h66rE

This aussie fella knows his stuff, ignore the dollars side of things as it's all relevant, he worked at B365.
A lot of it has been discussed but he breaks it down really well for anyone interested.

I've actually got accounts in all 4 bucket categories :highly_amused::highly_amused:
 
Handicaps. I know a fair few here, and after last year, said they would wait until either the day of the race, or at the very least, the week of the Festival.

Are you all sticking to that, or being dragged in for whatever value you find in the Boodles/The Plate/The Ultima never mind the Martin Pipe or the Kim Muir. I see a lot of the schoolboy looking podcasters now throwing around handicap 'good things' as if their portfolios demanded it.
 
Irish Rugby said:
Handicaps. I know a fair few here, and after last year, said they would wait until either the day of the race, or at the very least, the week of the Festival.

Are you all sticking to that, or being dragged in for whatever value you find in the Boodles/The Plate/The Ultima never mind the Martin Pipe or the Kim Muir. I see a lot of the schoolboy looking podcasters now throwing around handicap 'good things' as if their portfolios demanded it.
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I’ve not got a penny on them as yet, I’d usually have a couple backed in most of them by now :biggrin-new:

Leaving it until the week this year. Did think I might back an Elliott/Pertemps or Mullins/Martin Pipe horse as an exception, but the bookies seem wiser to it this year.
 
Stormez said:
I’ve not got a penny on them as yet, I’d usually have a couple backed in most of them by now :biggrin-new:

Leaving it until the week this year. Did think I might back an Elliott/Pertemps or Mullins/Martin Pipe horse as an exception, but the bookies seem wiser to it this year.
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1pt on Path D'Oroux in the County is my only handicap bet. NRNB too. I am genuinely so proud of myself :applouse::applouse:
 
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Irish Rugby said:
Handicaps. I know a fair few here, and after last year, said they would wait until either the day of the race, or at the very least, the week of the Festival.

Are you all sticking to that, or being dragged in for whatever value you find in the Boodles/The Plate/The Ultima never mind the Martin Pipe or the Kim Muir. I see a lot of the schoolboy looking podcasters now throwing around handicap 'good things' as if their portfolios demanded it.
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Only one for me, and it's the winner of the Martin Pipe anyway so that basically doesn't matter :triumphant: 1pt NRNB and 1pt antepost... I'll make an exception for the race planning selection on the Boodles, got very little temptation to have anything on any of the others to be honest, even though some great cases have been made. I can see me caving on the Ultima as it's the most gettable of the handicaps IMO, followed by the Martin Pipe which I think got significantly harder because of the 4 runs thing. The others are just a minefield...
 
Irish Rugby said:
Handicaps. I know a fair few here, and after last year, said they would wait until either the day of the race, or at the very least, the week of the Festival.

Are you all sticking to that, or being dragged in for whatever value you find in the Boodles/The Plate/The Ultima never mind the Martin Pipe or the Kim Muir. I see a lot of the schoolboy looking podcasters now throwing around handicap 'good things' as if their portfolios demanded it.
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Aye I’ve managed to stick to my guns so far I’m not backing any.

Just compiling a list of potentials and then hope they are entered where I see them and back them accordingly.

I know there’s NRNB but it’s just the waste of time of tying the funds up when really prices generally wouldn’t change too much imo.
 
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Irish Rugby said:
Handicaps. I know a fair few here, and after last year, said they would wait until either the day of the race, or at the very least, the week of the Festival.

Are you all sticking to that, or being dragged in for whatever value you find in the Boodles/The Plate/The Ultima never mind the Martin Pipe or the Kim Muir. I see a lot of the schoolboy looking podcasters now throwing around handicap 'good things' as if their portfolios demanded it.
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I said I was waiting to the day, and I am on the whole. I have, however, taken 3 prices on Lord Accord 33/1, Andy Dufresne 25/1 and Captain Conby 33/1 (Ultima/GA/PNF).

I just think the same as the graded races, if you're very confident or know it's the horses target and the price is right, why not.

In previous years I have backed 3/4 in the handicaps antepost and not had a single winner, I usually lose half my stake before anything has even ran.

Long way around of saying it, I wouldn't put anyone off backing one very strong fancy in a handicap antepost if its priced 25s or more (value).
 
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I think discipline is always a good thing.
Avoiding antepost bets on most handicap races is probably a smart decision except in the minority of cases.

But it's usually healthier to participate with reason and thought than to abstain completely.
Otherwise you may miss out on good opportunities.
And NRNB is a valuable concession.

If you don't know, aren't able and/or don't have the mindset or time to identify the right type of horses now - then you're probably going to be no wiser after declarations. IMO.
So your chances of success are probably the same.
You'll either find a winner or not.
 
Irish Rugby said:
Handicaps. I know a fair few here, and after last year, said they would wait until either the day of the race, or at the very least, the week of the Festival.

Are you all sticking to that, or being dragged in for whatever value you find in the Boodles/The Plate/The Ultima never mind the Martin Pipe or the Kim Muir. I see a lot of the schoolboy looking podcasters now throwing around handicap 'good things' as if their portfolios demanded it.
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Loads for me (and lots more still to play) but I've never been any different once NRNB kicks in.

I'd rather be on at the right price now than once entries are out as its going to be refunded worst case anyway, I don't see the risk as being very high.

I think with entries here there and everywhere before the festival we no longer have to worry about ratings of a lot of horses as we know a lot already, and I generally keep notes on the Irish ones entered over in the UK too.

Unfortunately with the likes of YouTube being so popular it means in most cases that prices and any sort of value is gone before we even get to the week, IMO. Don't get wrong you can still hit a decent priced winner or two, as not every horse with a favourites chance goes on to win the races, but the bookies are proper tight anyway at the moment that I feel the need to get on early.

I think Many Clouds had a really interesting way of playing the handicaps which he posted about in the diary section of the forum, and whilst I may not give it a go with cash this year it is something I'm going to do on paper to see how it turns out.
 
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I've learnt my lesson, finally, not to mess with the Handicaps AP. Absolute minefield now and a complete Bookies Benefit. I wait until the week itself and just do EW cross doubles and the odd single if I really fancy something. Guaranteed runners, prices are still very competitive and best of all you get 6-8 places on all the races which gives me the chance of getting more than 1 cross double up in each race.
 
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Lobos said:
I've learnt my lesson, finally, not to mess with the Handicaps AP. Absolute minefield now and a complete Bookies Benefit. I wait until the week itself and just do EW cross doubles and the odd single if I really fancy something. Guaranteed runners, prices are still very competitive and best of all you get 6-8 places on all the races which gives me the chance of getting more than 1 cross double up in each race.
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I’ve never gotten around to maintaining anything that’s even related to a diary this season but have reigned in handicap bets massively & it feels pretty good to be honest. Bet 5 so far, last year I must have been not far off treble that at this point & similar the years before, by & large it’s money down the drain and definitely not a +EV strategy to back this early on a whim.
 
Lobos said:
I've learnt my lesson, finally, not to mess with the Handicaps AP. Absolute minefield now and a complete Bookies Benefit. I wait until the week itself and just do EW cross doubles and the odd single if I really fancy something. Guaranteed runners, prices are still very competitive and best of all you get 6-8 places on all the races which gives me the chance of getting more than 1 cross double up in each race.
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…Bet365 are NRNB & BOG.
 
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…Bet365 are NRNB & BOG.
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Thanks Eggs. It's the 8 places that is the biggest draw for me with my cross doubles. Mahoosive. Have had some finish 8th and 8th before, beaten 20 lengths+ and still made a healthy profit. Many times I need to wait until the official full result comes through to check them as the big screen coverage often switches back to the winner pulling up before some of mine cross the line. Bizarre experience but oddly exciting!!
 
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