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Istabraq said:
Pocket talk but Richie McLernon needs shooting for pulling up Walking on Air and taking out Spanish Harlem, it's happened before and it will happen again but the enquiry cleared his accepting the interference was accidental which isn't good enough for me...
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I agree ISA, also pocket talk my end, but didn’t he look behind (mirror signal) and then after seeing SH behind manoeuvre? Why so close to the fence, why not well before as the horse didn’t look to break down?

I also think Hayes seemed to take it to well IMO. I didn’t see any looking over to remonstrate or whip waving etc….just seemed like ‘oh well one of those things’ ….why when it looked like he had every chance at the time of at least getting placed?

SH did jump pretty awful though didn’t he!:(
 
Wayward Lad said:
I agree ISA, also pocket talk my end, but didn’t he look behind (mirror signal) and then after seeing SH behind manoeuvre? Why so close to the fence, why not well before as the horse didn’t look to break down?

I also think Hayes seemed to take it to well IMO. I didn’t see any looking over to remonstrate or whip waving etc….just seemed like ‘oh well one of those things’ ….why when it looked like he had every chance at the time of at least getting placed?

SH did jump pretty awful though didn’t he!:(
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Spanish Harlem was the only one to Richie's outside, he was far enough from the fence to allow SH to go past on the outside then pull wide of the fence, and although we'll never know but there is usually some chat during the race, Richie has an obligation to communicate and ensure he doesn't interfere with others.
The whole accidental thing is fine but not enough was done to prevent it for me and the stewards have taken the easy option in doing nothing, on another day interference (accidental or otherwise) could lead to injury or worse to both horse and jockey.

As for Spanish Harlem's jumping I think we knew before the race it was an issue, I don't think he jumped that badly to be honest it was more a case of not meeting many on a stride and his adjustments just aren't efficient, but he was full of running when taken out and would have gone very close...
 
Istabraq said:
Spanish Harlem was the only one to Richie's outside, he was far enough from the fence to allow SH to go past on the outside then pull wide of the fence, and although we'll never know but there is usually some chat during the race, Richie has an obligation to communicate and ensure he doesn't interfere with others.
The whole accidental thing is fine but not enough was done to prevent it for me and the stewards have taken the easy option in doing nothing, on another day interference (accidental or otherwise) could lead to injury or worse to both horse and jockey.

As for Spanish Harlem's jumping I think we knew before the race it was an issue, I don't think he jumped that badly to be honest it was more a case of not meeting many on a stride and his adjustments just aren't efficient, but he was full of running when taken out and would have gone very close...
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Apologies Ista as looking back on my post I can see I wasn’t clear with my view - my point about looking behind and then moving, was negative to Richie not positive, as I can’t see how the manouvre could be deemed accidental when he looks behind before moving? I think the look over the shoulder makes it negligent not accidental.

Also it wasn’t as if SH had little chance at the time as he was third fav and hadn’t been asked a question when the incident happened. BHA stewarding remains poor and inconsistent IMO.

Wouldn’t you have expected Hayes to remonstrate a bit as I agree, it could have resulted in bringing SH down or injuries to either horse/jockey?
 
Wayward Lad said:
I think the look over the shoulder makes it negligent not accidental.

Wouldn’t you have expected Hayes to remonstrate a bit as I agree, it could have resulted in bringing SH down or injuries to either horse/jockey?
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Yeah I don’t disagree, negligence may well be appropriate, stewards get away with it because the act caused no damage, I’ll claim the same defence if I ever get caught doing 120mph.
#drivesafelpeople

We’ll never know what’s said if anything, Hayes may well have lambasted Richie as they cantered back, but because of the close association between racing and betting there will also be conspiracy theories which is why stewards have a duty to investigate all incidents thoroughly, or refer them….
 
….Fairyhouse abandoned today, not sure of the forecast for the weekend but the IGN has to be in doubt.
 
Eggs said:
….Fairyhouse abandoned today, not sure of the forecast for the weekend but the IGN has to be in doubt.
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No, it'll be fine. Strongly suspect they abandoned today to protect Sunday and Monday's card. They knew it was going to rain, just more of it came down yesterday. They were forced to water up to a few days ago because we've had zero rain for around 3 weeks.

I'd be confident tomorrow's card should be OK, just a slight drizzle now and a patchy forecast this afternoon. It's looking at mostly drying weather for the 24 hours then to the start of Sunday's card. Looking like some rain will fall on Monday morning, so the only doubt would be that would have to be a bit biblical. I'd say we're going to be OK.
 
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If like me your always on the look out for reliable new accounts like me do yourself a favour and don't open a betway account

Opened account Friday morning had a few bets at Newcastle. Broke even and withdrew at about 5pm. Still not received my money.

Not had to wait this long for a withdrawal in years.
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
If like me your always on the look out for reliable new accounts like me do yourself a favour and don't open a betway account

Opened account Friday morning had a few bets at Newcastle. Broke even and withdrew at about 5pm. Still not received my money.

Not had to wait this long for a withdrawal in years.
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They finally sent me the money

Cowboy outfit don't bother with them imo
 
Agree.
Few years ago they held 9k of mine insisting I provided bank statements to confirm source pf funds, I got a lawyer onto it and they paid up.
Seems to be a filthy strategy, take your money and withhold winnings on the chance a few customers won’t go through the financial interrogation.
And yes I did contact the regulator who were worse than useless, and people wonder why I am so cynical about the integrity of the Gambling Commission….
 
Istabraq said:
Agree.
Few years ago they held 9k of mine insisting I provided bank statements to confirm source pf funds, I got a lawyer onto it and they paid up.
Seems to be a filthy strategy, take your money and withhold winnings on the chance a few customers won’t go through the financial interrogation.
And yes I did contact the regulator who were worse than useless, and people wonder why I am so cynical about the integrity of the Gambling Commission….
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There must be plenty of very full brown envelopes floating about in the gambling commission offices

Because they certainly do nothing for punters

First thing I'd do is say if you want a gambling licence you have to guarantee laying X amount to every customer. No restricting people to pennies.

Even if it was just guaranteeing everyone can win up to £100
 
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I might be missing something really obvious, but why isn't there a law in place that all checks must be done on opening an account, and after that the customer is free to place bets as and when without worrying about being paid up
 
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darlojim said:
I might be missing something really obvious, but why isn't there a law in place that all checks must be done on opening an account, and after that the customer is free to place bets as and when without worrying about being paid up
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That makes far too much sense !:glee:
 
darlojim said:
I might be missing something really obvious, but why isn't there a law in place that all checks must be done on opening an account, and after that the customer is free to place bets as and when without worrying about being paid up
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Probably because it would lower the big casino sites profits

I completely agree we should be asked either immediately or not at all

Only asking when someone tries to withdraw their money is ridiculous

I guarantee there's been numerous cases where some degen slot/roulette player had been allowed to deposit thousands then asked not just for the usual ID stuff but for proof of funds when they withdraw
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
First thing I'd do is say if you want a gambling licence you have to guarantee laying X amount to every customer. No restricting people to pennies.
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Which is how it works in other countries, all the power rests with bookmakers who make make up their own rules safe in the knowledge the regulator will do nothing.
It’s staggering how weak the GA with bookies….
 
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