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Elliott was delighted with the performance of Salvador Ziggy and said: “It was a great run under a big weight. He could easily win a big one, although he'll have plenty of weight in races like the Munster National or the Troytown. We're delighted with him though.”

Shot himself in the foot though.........


Kerry National winning trainer said....

The horse got in as second reserve, and Brassil added: “It was after 8.00 this morning. Gordon Elliott rang me to tell me he had taken one out and that I should declare, because he had another one that they might take out because of the ground. It was a very sporting gesture by him.
 
There’s a small segment at the end of the latest ep of let’s talk racing were josh (who has connections with Elliot’s yard)mentions the NHC as ziggys target. Also gave a glowing report on brighter days ahead. From about 16 mins on. Well worth a listen
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Fact To File likely to be hurdling per the below from RP article on McManus horses (see stable tour thread for full details)

He said: "Fact To File is probably a little further away from a run than A Dream To Share, but Willie has been very happy with him. He will start out over hurdles when Willie is ready."
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Think 'start' is an interesting choice of word. Without reading the full quotes. Could be reading into it too much thought
 
reads as starting over hurdles when Willie is ready as opposed to chasing , that's my take on it
 
Benjy23 said:
Think 'start' is an interesting choice of word. Without reading the full quotes. Could be reading into it too much thought
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:loyal: You can't be serious?
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
I can't imagine they would start over hurdles and then switch to fences mid season, but i did think the same thing. It'd be a strange move if they did
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:stupid: :loyal:

Amazing scenes.

We need some more things to discuss if this is crossing your mind :p
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
It's a weird way of him to say it. Why not say he'll stay (or run) over hurdles when ready. Just don't use the word start. That's all:excitement::devilish:
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Fact To File hasn't had a run over hurdles yet

So "start over hurdles" means literally what he's saying?

I don't understand how that could be misunderstood :victorious:
 
IEP

While the chances of Constitution Hill going chasing in the future appear slim, Impaire Et Passe is expected to switch disciplines next term.
Bromley added: “He’s so lightly raced that another season hurdling will hopefully toughen him up and then we can go chasing next season.

“He is the stamp of a chaser so he is exciting for that job, but we’ll see how high he can go over hurdles first.”
 
Kevloaf said:
Fact To File hasn't had a run over hurdles yet

So "start over hurdles" means literally what he's saying?

I don't understand how that could be misunderstood :victorious:
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It's a skill. :wink-new:

They've previously said he might go chasing this season. And now they've used the words 'start over hurdles'. It's definitely open to interpretation like. And I think possibly deliberately not committing to it.

And as per FM, there's plenty of other options of wording that make the plan sound clearer.

The only way he switches mid season is probably if not good enough over hurdles though, which makes the whole discussion a bit irrelevant anyway.

Although I should probably just read what else was actually said as I've still not bothered :excitement:
 
Lobos said:
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While the chances of Constitution Hill going chasing in the future appear slim, Impaire Et Passe is expected to switch disciplines next term.
Bromley added: “He’s so lightly raced that another season hurdling will hopefully toughen him up and then we can go chasing next season.

“He is the stamp of a chaser so he is exciting for that job, but we’ll see how high he can go over hurdles first.”
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It’s not even this season yet, I know, but Mullins novice chasers next season could be extraordinary.
 
Kevloaf said:
Fact To File hasn't had a run over hurdles yet

So "start over hurdles" means literally what he's saying?

I don't understand how that could be misunderstood :victorious:
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….and the bottom line is: we now know who wins the Bartlett :wink-new:
 
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archie said:
Chrome reckons it might be a dodgy site because some people are recommending silly prices for Vauban in the Melbourne Cup. May be a bookies' scam. :cool:
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Bugger.....you've got me:welcoming:
 
In fairness though, 10's and 9's look pretty good now.
 
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I was very taken with Salvador Ziggy yesterday.

Travelling that well off 150 for a novice, against plenty more experienced rivals or rivals he had to give lumps of weight to, was very good, to my eye.

I'm really struggling to see what Willie will have at that level and the only two I can come up with are Champ Kiely (who I personally think will take the Gaillard Du Mesnil route of the Brown Advisory before he is even considered for a NH Chase) or Minella Cocooner, whom we are still waiting on an update for.

8/1 for Salvador Ziggy still, at this stage, after seeing him over fences 4 times, including in a competitive enough handicap, on a path trajectory that his trainer has used plenty, is an E/W gift, IMO.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I was very taken with Salvador Ziggy yesterday.

Travelling that well off 150 for a novice, against plenty more experienced rivals or rivals he had to give lumps of weight to, was very good, to my eye.

I'm really struggling to see what Willie will have at that level and the only two I can come up with are Champ Kiely (who I personally think will take the Gaillard Du Mesnil route of the Brown Advisory before he is even considered for a NH Chase) or Minella Cocooner, whom we are still waiting on an update for.

8/1 for Salvador Ziggy still, at this stage, after seeing him over fences 4 times, including in a competitive enough handicap, on a path trajectory that his trainer has used plenty, is an E/W gift, IMO.
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I see Minella Cocooner as a non stayer and remember Willie saying the same. So I'm thinking more turners if all okay following his injury of course.
 
HoldenTheReins said:
I see Minella Cocooner as a non stayer and remember Willie saying the same. So I'm thinking more turners if all okay following his injury of course.
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I rarely like to disagree with the genius of Willie Mullins, but MC is bred to be a stayer, and if anything I think his performances as a novice hurdler have him outpaced more than outstayed, but that's just my view. Appreciate we will all have differing ones.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
I rarely like to disagree with the genius of Willie Mullins, but MC is bred to be a stayer, and if anything I think his performances as a novice hurdler have him outpaced more than outstayed, but that's just my view. Appreciate we will all have differing ones.
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I’m finding it really difficult to find the likely Mullins runner in the NH chase this year. I like minella cocooner for it but we need an update on his wellbeing before backing him.
He has so many stayers to juggle it’s almost impossible to call at this stage. Any of these could be his runner, some will be targeted at the banc or turners.

- minella cocooner
- champ kiely
- embassy gardens
- the nice guy
- Nick rockett
- quais de paris
 
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