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Kevloaf said:
Watched a documentary on Amazon recently, G.Swann was talking about lifting the ashes urn.... said it was an amazing moment and when he lifted it, it had the sticker from the 'club shop' or something with 8.99 on the bottom or something..... hilarous
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I'm not into cricket (being from Northern Ireland) but I did get caught up in ashes fever in 2005 when I witnessed the greatest test series ever. What a fucking let down when Michael Vaughn was presented with that little turd after not winning it for so many years :miserable:
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I think the record for DRF winners rolling over to Cheltenham Festival winners is a bit sketchy, and I suspect some of them results from this weekend will be turned on their head.

I, of course, will sit on the fence and say I don't know for sure which ones will hold up and which ones won't, however, the one I think I'd be most sure about is Facile Vega.

That ride today was far more suicidal than the Dysart Dynamo ride in the Arkle, IMO. FV has already beat Il Etait Temps and he'll do it again in the Supreme, for me, if he's ridden 'properly'.
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Definitely so Cod, the 6/1 bottles dangled was huge imo. FWIW, I received a msg yesterday morning from a usually reliable source saying that Vega wouldn't be 100% ready this weekend and that Willie wouldn't be shocked if he was beaten but that it wouldn't be the end of the world and that he would have him fully tuned for March.

Obviously the suicidal pace didn't help his performance at all but like Paul said, he was still beaten too far for that to be his true running.
 
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Looking forward to hearing johnny dineen on Tuesday discussing Paul's ride on facile
 
Exar Essay said:
Just catching up with the day after an inopportune late lunch was booked on my behalf … :uncomfortableness:

In respect of the racing, in the words of John Locke, Ill need to see that again.

The interviews were bloody telling though. Willie clearly unhappy with Paul’s ride on FV. Paul gets off Gaelic Warrior and has a face like thunder and you can hear the upset in his voice. In my view, there’s clearly some upset in the camp.

I do have some sympathy for Paul though. I found it very odd that Willie publicly criticised Paul in the middle of the card yesterday. Can’t do much for his confidence. Also, to slate a rider for trying to win a Grade One was very odd.

Paul is on the money re Facile Vega too. The early speed might’ve ruined his chance of the win, but doesn’t explain him getting beat that far. Also, if he’s the second coming, as Willie has told us he is, he should be able to race at that speed.

All a bit odd to me.
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Yea it stinks abit from Willie, something clearly amiss with PT and the public criticism over the 2 days from Mullins surely doesn’t help the confidence. The lashing he got for Lossiemouth was out of order he was within every right to try win the race when riding the fav. Facile Vega run was disappointing, horse was wild in the parade ring and start, then set off at a million miles an hour and blew up.

PT still took home some prize money for the Mullins camp you’d expect better team support and less public scoldings

Danny is a class act at the moment too
 
darlojim said:
Definitely so Cod, the 6/1 bottles dangled was huge imo. FWIW, I received a msg yesterday morning from a usually reliable source saying that Vega wouldn't be 100% ready this weekend and that Willie wouldn't be shocked if he was beaten but that it wouldn't be the end of the world and that he would have him fully tuned for March.

Obviously the suicidal pace didn't help his performance at all but like Paul said, he was still beaten too far for that to be his true running.
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Not sharing that on here beforehand is not really acceptable
 
HesTheOne said:
Yea it stinks abit from Willie, something clearly amiss with PT and the public criticism over the 2 days from Mullins surely doesn’t help the confidence. The lashing he got for Lossiemouth was out of order he was within every right to try win the race when riding the fav. Facile Vega run was disappointing, horse was wild in the parade ring and start, then set off at a million miles an hour and blew up.

PT still took home some prize money for the Mullins camp you’d expect better team support and less public scoldings

Danny is a class act at the moment too
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I don't know if I agree with this....

If you make a mistake, are you not allowed to be called out for it? Surely after near 15 years Willie knows how to motivate PT?

I think you're projecting yourself into the position, when really, you're not a world class jockey or trainer. :distant:



I think Paul Townend will take it on board, realise he's so lucky and do whatever the feck he can to raise his game.



If Willie came out and 'defended' him, will that help them get more winners? Abso-fucking-lutely not.....




Call a spade a spade, Paul was shit, call him out! He's riding a fucking horse at near 35 miles an hour over a fence, he can deal with a bit of critisism surely?





If noty, doesn't deserve the gig. Ruby could handle it.... as The Rock says, Know Your Role, and Shut Your Mouth!
 
Feeds into my view, not to take the DRF results too literally. I'll be getting FV onto more multiples now at these prices.
 
Kevloaf said:
Yeah, I'd be anti-English as a general rule.



I actually hate that people likme Lewis Hamilton 'because he's British' .... as if that fucking matters

Just because someone was born on the same clump of land I was, doesn't mean I need to follow them tribally surely?!


Imagine that, not liking Roger Federer because he isn't British, so you have to support Murray instead (great guy BTW)


It's a fucking nonsense though.




I remember watching F1 with my Dad as a kid, loved Damon Hill, and when Schumacher(spelling) knocked him off my Dad went mental.... in hindsight, that's just bananas.




Nothing to be proud about being English, unfortunately.


Xenophobia is my favourite thing to call people out on though. Come at me bitches.:satellite:
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Really don't understand this post at all, you'd be a anti-English as a general rule?

I understand not preferring a sportsman/sportswoman or horse etc just because the are English/British.

But to be anti-english as a general rule is just the same surely as only supporting or preferring someone because they are English/British?

Fwiw I feel there's a lot to be proud about to be English just as there is for any member from any other nation. Its not about being from a "clump of land" its about being part of and growing up in a certain culture with maybe differnt values and ways of life etc.
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Many Clouds said:
Really don't understand this post at all, you'd be a anti-English as a general rule?

I understand not preferring a sportsman/sportswoman or horse etc just because the are English/British.

But to be anti-english as a general rule is just the same surely as only supporting or preferring someone because they are English/British?

Fwiw I feel there's a lot to be proud about to be English just as there is for any member from any other nation. Its not about being from a "clump of land" its about being part of and growing up in a certain culture with maybe differnt values and ways of life etc.
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I don't think it's that hard to understand. I feel it's embarassing to align to something because of something you had n control over... (as in, born on the same land)..., therefore, I would actively see where this bias had happened and look to go agaisnt it for my own benefit.


If you're genuinely proud to be British, then fair play. I imagine though I'd not get on with you outside of horse racing.



I'm only anti-English in a way that negates the over-importance it gets. My point is, I literally don't like anyone more or less because of what country they're from. I can't sum it up any better than that.
 
Kevloaf said:
I don't think it's that hard to understand. I feel it's embarassing to align to something because of something you had n control over... (as in, born on the same land)..., therefore, I would actively see where this bias had happened and look to go agaisnt it for my own benefit.


If you're genuinely proud to be British, then fair play. I imagine though I'd not get on with you outside of horse racing.



I'm only anti-English in a way that negates the over-importance it gets. My point is, I literally don't like anyone more or less because of what country they're from. I can't sum it up any better than that.
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So it's embarrassing for anyone from any country, or place to be patriotic. Yes I imagine if you're that closed minded that you wouldn't get on with someone just because they have a differnt view to yourself on one aspect of life then yeh it would more than likely be hard to get along.

I never had you down as a radical lefty tbf from your posts and the vids you have done but you learn something new every day hey.

The anti-English thing just sounds mad to me like, you're saying you don't like or dislike anyone more or less from any country, but you are anti-english, so less likely to be in favour of something just because it/he/she is from the same country you are, just to show how much you like everything/everyone the same.
 
Many Clouds said:
So it's embarrassing for anyone from any country, or place to be patriotic. Yes I imagine if you're that closed minded that you wouldn't get on with someone just because they have a differnt view to yourself on one aspect of life then yeh it would more than likely be hard to get along.

I never had you down as a radical lefty tbf from your posts and the vids you have done but you learn something new every day hey.

The anti-English thing just sounds mad to me like, you're saying you don't like or dislike anyone more or less from any country, but you are anti-english, so less likely to be in favour of something just because it/he/she is from the same country you are, just to show how much you like everything/everyone the same.
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"I'm only anti-English in a way that negates the over-importance it gets. My point is, I literally don't like anyone more or less because of what country they're from. I can't sum it up any better than that."

I feel like your response didn't factor in what I said?

I suppose it's just me getting annoyed at people who blindly like things or support them because of it? I feel I've made it pretty clear though.



I don't think I'm close minded at all, people can have whatever view they like....but you'll surely know me well enough to know that I believe opinions can be wrong. Just because you "have an opinion" doesn't mean it's right. Let's use my fave, that Hitler's opinion was not right... not that we're at those extremes of couse, but just because someone is offended or has a different opinion doesn't mean we have to accept it.

Ultimately, for me, if you base ANY decision on where someone is from, it's flawed. I don't like anyone more, or less, because of where they're born. It's like loving Paula Radcliffe cos she's British. She's clearly not the best long-distance runner.
 
Danny Mullins 33/1 top jock at festival anyone? After the crap paul's put in this weekend and willie seemingly fuming at him could a switch in stable jock happen?
 
Lobos said:
Best of luck MOM. Keep stakes small and don't be greedy with prices. Always go for additional places over prices. If you feel there is an absolute banker in one race then just do the one and potentially pick 4/5 in the second race. We did this the year Sire Du Berlais won his first Pertemps. Just felt he was a certainty. Luckily Barry ride the race of a lifetime on him and just got up. It then went onto the Kim Muir where we had the winner and a couple more placed :eagerness:
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Amazing. Will defo let you know how we get on. Andy Dufesne wins the Grand Annual so there’s 1 I’ll have in straight away :applouse:
 
Kevloaf said:
Not sharing that on here beforehand is not really acceptable
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Tbh Kev I thought about it, but I was really dubious about it after being sent the message asking myself 'why on earth would Willie not have him fully ready this weekend in a g1 at the DRF?' and I absolutely didn't want the responsibility on my shoulders of people adjusting their positions based on that message alone. I didn't act upon it due to being wary myself but in hindsight anyway, no horse would have got home with the pace he went off at!
 
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Zachx02 said:
Danny Mullins 33/1 top jock at festival anyone? After the crap paul's put in this weekend and willie seemingly fuming at him could a switch in stable jock happen?
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This is an angle I really like. Does he even need to be stable number one? Amongst the novices, Willie has a larger number of very good horses than ever, but arguably doesn't have a standout. It's not inconceivable that Willie's number two horses win a number of races. Just a shame for Danny that the Double Green and JP have stable jocks.
 
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I see it's press day at Clossutton today. Stable tours will be within the week I'd guess. Shame in a way. I'd rather hear Willie's thoughts once the dust has settled on the DRF.
 
DRF has helped shake up the AP market, well with what’s left of it

Supreme and Ballymore likely to have a few movements, with FV beaten. GW being mentioned for ballymore.

QM and Ryanair - where do they go now?

Honeysuckle running well enough to potentially warranty a run in the mares - what a race that’s turning out to be!

James D blowing up, BANC?

Wasn’t a great weekend for odds on fav backers and those that have nice AP slips from months back. However, this is opened up a few of the races.
 
Post DRF I'd have a very negative view of horses that didn't perform well. People seem to think maybe just shunting everyone up in trip will work, but visually I thought in particular Blue Lord and JDB looked very poor, I'd be against them wherever they went
 
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