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Lobos said:
Anyone backing the ex French 3yo Filly Lossiemouth, particularly TWAR, be aware that there is a very good 141 rated Gelding trained by Tom Lacey that goes by the same name. Would be very annoying to be caught out backing the "wrong' horse !!
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Good Call Lobos , I thought it was the same horse , changed trainer . !!.
 
BigChaang said:
So you wouldn't recommend a 5 gallon in your own container for a sunday afternoon take out then Somer ! ??.
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I would if you bought his cheese as well. I dont mind the odd pint but its always better to give as a gift to some silly fooker who thinks he knows best :cool:
 
Lobos said:
Anyone backing the ex French 3yo Filly Lossiemouth, particularly TWAR, be aware that there is a very good 141 rated Gelding trained by Tom Lacey that goes by the same name. Would be very annoying to be caught out backing the "wrong' horse !!
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William Hill have her listed as Lossiemouth (FR) so you know you'll be backing the right one, as the other is (GB) :encouragement:
 
ComplyOrDie said:
William Hill have her listed as Lossiemouth (FR) so you know you'll be backing the right one, as the other is (GB) :encouragement:
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Unless of course you wanted to back Lacey's horse :cocksure:
At least WH are sensible
 
Question........

Who was the last Supreme Novices winner to win the following years Champion Hurdle??
 
How many of the really good ones have tried?

Most of them win the following years arkle and don't even contest the champion hurdle these days
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
How many of the really good ones have tried?

Most of them win the following years arkle and don't even contest the champion hurdle these days
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Is there a reason for that though ?

It's a serious question. I don't know. It's driving me mad and I've been punting for 40 years. Can't think of one. Plenty have obviously tried.
 
Lobos said:
Question........

Who was the last Supreme Novices winner to win the following years Champion Hurdle??
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To coincide with this, who was the last novice hurdler to be rated 170 and hit an RPR of 172 after just three hurdles runs?

I'll be surprised if there is another one.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
To coincide with this, who was the last novice hurdler to be rated 170 and hit an RPR of 172 after just three hurdles runs?

I'll be surprised if there is another one.
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No idea. Get the answer to mine first ......... where's Saxon when you need him:biggrin-new:
 
Right, I've gone through the list of Supreme winners from Wikipedia and I think it may have been Bula in 1970. Tell me I'm wrong please. 52 years ago ???!!!
 
Lobos said:
Question........

Who was the last Supreme Novices winner to win the following years Champion Hurdle??
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Hors La Loi did the double, though not in consecutive years. Think Buveur d’Air must’ve been the last winner to run in the previous years Supreme, as neither of the mares did?

I know neither are the answer to your question, but are the closest I could think of, and I wasn’t around to remember back to Bula’s days!
 
Stormez said:
Hors La Loi did the double, though not in consecutive years. Think Buveur d’Air must’ve been the last winner to run in the previous years Supreme, as neither of the mares did?

I know neither are the answer to your question, but are the closest I could think of, and I wasn’t around to remember back to Bula’s days!
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Brave Inca also did the double but won the CH 2 years after winning the Supreme.

None had the rating handed out to Constitution Hill though as COD said but I'm not sure if those ratings have changed over the years ??
 
There’s been an obsession with getting the good ones over a fence as early as possible for a while now, I’d be sure if Honeysuckle was a gelding she/he/it would never have won more than one champion hurdle.
The exploits of the Istabraqs, See You Then’s, Bula’s Sea Pigeon’s and Persian War’s are unlikely to be repeated…
 
50 years waiting for a Supreme winner to win next year's Champion Hurdle seems crazy, and no doubt points to many going chasing and leaving hurdles behind.

I'd say in recent years that's partly/mostly due to the lack of decent flat racing horses in UK/IRE becoming novice hurdlers in the first place, combined with the increase in P2P and Bumper horses passing through from novice hurdlers to novice chasing, without a moments thought for the Champion Hurdle.

The growth of Bumpers Adds dramatically to the chsnces of horses being too old to go novice chasing, unless they spend only one year hurdling (as a novice).

* Growth of P2P market/values
* increased use of Bumpers, and ageing of horses going novice Hurdling
* lack of decent quality 4yo/5yo UK/IRE flat racing converts to hurdles

- the Key reasons, for me, why Novice Hurdlers go Novice Chasing.

In turn this has led to an increase in Mares competing and winning Champion Hurdles.
Partly due to the fact that owners of good NH Hurdling Mares are considering a future breeding career vs the added risk of injury going chasing and deciding to stay over hurdles is more practical for them and their Mares.

Not since Golden Cygnet 44 years ago has a 2M Novice Hurdler looked as good as Constitution Hill.

It will be a tear jerking reminder of how good Golden Cygnet was, if Constitution Hill could win the Champion Hurdle this coming season.

GC was robbed of his chance to try to win the Champion when he took on that seasons Champion Hurdlers (as a Novice) in the Scottish Champion Hurdle, after Cheltenham, and died in a fall.

I'd love the long term health of the Champion Hurdle to return with a Supreme winner, beating a Triumph Hurdle winner in it this season, with State Man chasing them home. (Having all won open Grade 1 2M Hurdles in the season).

This would fully vindicate all 3 decisions to keep the 3 of them for at least a 2nd season hurdling, and maybe a 3rd.

I've longed for the Champion Hurdle to return to the quality of those I watched as a kid in the late 70's, and into the early 80's.

If next season starts the rise of my favourite NH race, then I would be a very happy man.
 
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Istabraq said:
There’s been an obsession with getting the good ones over a fence as early as possible for a while now, I’d be sure if Honeysuckle was a gelding she/he/it would never have won more than one champion hurdle.
The exploits of the Istabraqs, See You Then’s, Bula’s Sea Pigeon’s and Persian War’s are unlikely to be repeated…
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Agree. Probably more races/opportunities for prize money/longetivity by sending them over fences. Can't blame the owners. Henderson would most likely have sent CH over fences if it was down to him and Epatante was just starting out.
 
Istabraq said:
Cheltenham have just announced a cap of 68,500 for each day of the festival, attendances for last season reached over 73,000 on Thursday and Friday.
Not entirely sure how such a meagre reduction will help the experience but you can understand why the capacity wasn't pitched lower....

https://www.racingpost.com/news/lat...-be-capped-at-68500-each-day-from-2023/573633
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Glastonbury added 7k this year and my friends who went said it felt insanely more busy - so I think 4ish K in the space at Cheltenham may actually feel an impact
 
Istabraq said:
Cheltenham have just announced a cap of 68,500 for each day of the festival, attendances for last season reached over 73,000 on Thursday and Friday.
Not entirely sure how such a meagre reduction will help the experience but you can understand why the capacity wasn't pitched lower....

https://www.racingpost.com/news/lat...-be-capped-at-68500-each-day-from-2023/573633
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They'll have to get the loss of money elsewhere. Add ?3 to a Guinness and 50p to use the toilet....:glee:
 
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