Fulke Walwyn KIM MUIR Challenge Cup Amateur Rider Handicap Chase

[Spectre]

His enforced layoff doesn’t seem to have improved his jumping either. Just saying.

Hmmmm........

 

[delsie777]

I think 20/1 is a bet now. Great ride today i thought - nursed him around and made him look very ordinary. Came home in his own time and i can see him improving for the application of money and winning easily having avoided any major 'tax' from the British Handicapper. The plan would have looked a bit lame if he had been off today.

 

[darlojim]

I think 20/1 is a bet now. Great ride today i thought - nursed him around and made him look very ordinary. Came home in his own time and i can see him improving for the application of money and winning easily having avoided any major 'tax' from the British Handicapper. The plan would have looked a bit lame if he had been off today.

Would you not be worried by his jumping? half of the fences today he jumped like a pig.ig:

 

[delsie777]

Would you not be worried by his jumping? half of the fences today he jumped like a pig.ig:

Yeah i know - looked a bit like Mount Ida today - and we know how that ended. One day in mind and O'Connor had a spin. Just dont see him going off 20/1 on the day

 

[Spectre]

There's not just the problem with this jumping, he's also unlikely to get a mark that gets him in to the Kim Muir, so any plan to give him a quiet ride yesterday would have been pretty flawed. You'd usually need mid-130 just to get a run and he's only 129 and possibly going backwards. There's no reason for the UK handicapper to give him too much upward help either. Glenloe is a busted flush.

 

[Quevega]

There's not just the problem with this jumping, he's also unlikely to get a mark that gets him in to the Kim Muir, so any plan to give him a quiet ride yesterday would have been pretty flawed. You'd usually need mid-130 just to get a run and he's only 129 and possibly going backwards. There's no reason for the UK handicapper to give him too much upward help either. Glenloe is a busted flush.

He was given 135 (+6) I think when he entered him over here the other day.
Although he could easily drop him for that shite yesterday.

 

[Kevloaf]

There's not just the problem with this jumping, he's also unlikely to get a mark that gets him in to the Kim Muir, so any plan to give him a quiet ride yesterday would have been pretty flawed. You'd usually need mid-130 just to get a run and he's only 129 and possibly going backwards. There's no reason for the UK handicapper to give him too much upward help either. Glenloe is a busted flush.

He was given 135 (+6) I think when he entered him over here the other day.
Although he could easily drop him for that shite yesterday.

If Glenloe turned up on the day, you consider him a busted flush Spectre?

Come on.

Next you'll be telling us JP and Elliott couldn't plot a horse for a festival handicap.

 

[Liammet]

Considering adding Cat Tiger for this
Think it might be the plan
I know the jockey has limited ability but he is a likeable chap and if he were to ride a Cheltenham winner I would like to be on
20/1 at present,although I’m not sure the price will collapse much when it goes nrnb

 

[Kevloaf]

Considering adding Cat Tiger for this
Think it might be the plan
I know the jockey has limited ability but he is a likeable chap and if he were to ride a Cheltenham winner I would like to be on
20/1 at present,although I’m not sure the price will collapse much when it goes nrnb

You'll be better placed to remember than me.... but was Cat Tiger the one 'we' liked last year but he specifically said it's a year too soon and rode something else?

Or am I getting massively confused? (more likely!)

 

[Liammet]

You'll be better placed to remember than me.... but was Cat Tiger the one 'we' liked last year but he specifically said it's a year too soon and rode something else?

Or am I getting massively confused? (more likely!)

Yeah he was talked about Kev
However he did run Shantou Flyer in it and it finished third
Obviously he couldn’t ride it last year,Harry Cobden I think
Cat Tiger looks a decent horse for this race and is one of the few at this stage that I would be confident that will turn up

 

[Rooster Booster]

You'll be better placed to remember than me.... but was Cat Tiger the one 'we' liked last year but he specifically said it's a year too soon and rode something else?

Or am I getting massively confused? (more likely!)

He had three horses that he wanted to keep apart from memory. One was cat tiger, the others were Bob and co and shantou flyer. Sean Bowen rode bac in the fox hunters, I think Harry Cobden rode SF in the Kim muir and CT missed Cheltenham for Aintree and the owner rode him. He was only 7 so could easily have mentioned his age, I can’t remember.

 

[Spectre]

If Glenloe turned up on the day, you consider him a busted flush Spectre?

Come on.

Next you'll be telling us JP and Elliott couldn't plot a horse for a festival handicap.

Absolutely Kev. The horse can't jump fences. He is awful every time he does. It doesn't matter what his mark is when he hits them so often, and is slow at others.

He's a busted flush.

 

[RoadToCheltenham]

Quite sweet on Death Duty for this race. Had his injury issues over the years but is lightly raced and that comeback run over Christmas was eye-catching to say the least.

 

[Kevloaf]

Absolutely Kev. The horse can't jump fences. He is awful every time he does. It doesn't matter what his mark is when he hits them so often, and is slow at others.

He's a busted flush.

Fair enough. Not even on him, but I think he'd go off single figures on the day :highly_amused:

 

[Studfarm254]

I’m pretty sure Gordon’s Kim muir horse runs Saturday, 12.30 fairyhouse, same race Milan native ran in. Floueur probably just about the most interesting on his Cheltenham form, frontal assault interesting also with the gigginstown connection and a couple of wins around 3 miles. Grand paradis of interest on last seasons form.

 

[Lobos]

Agree Stud. Both Floueur and Frontal Assault fit the age stat (7) . GP at 6 probably too young. Torygraph may well be his number 1 for this though.

 

[Eggs]

Agree Stud. Both Floueur and Frontal Assault fit the age stat (7) . GP at 6 probably too young. Torygraph may well be his number 1 for this though.

…Torygraph a best price 16-1 for this is 17-1 (with boost) in Hills TWAR market.

 

[Jrow]

Looking at the last 10 years of this race and focussing on gordons horses only. All of his winners have worn a tongue tie, but not for the first time. Even his placed horses all wore tongue ties apart from
Cause of Causes’ first attempt. Yet he won in a tongue tie on his 2nd go. Looking at his likely horses for this race, so far only Floeuer has worn a tongue tie (i think). Milan Native wore a 1st time tongue tie in his race prior to this, in feb. So its worth keeping an eye on when the time comes

I appreciate this is just probably something he likes his horse to wear in this particular race, but it can be a good guide as to which horse hes aiming at the race.

 

[Kevloaf]

Looking at the last 10 years of this race and focussing on gordons horses only. All of his winners have worn a tongue tie, but not for the first time. Even his placed horses all wore tongue ties apart from
Cause of Causes’ first attempt. Yet he won in a tongue tie on his 2nd go. Looking at his likely horses for this race, so far only Floeuer has worn a tongue tie (i think). Milan Native wore a 1st time tongue tie in his race prior to this, in feb. So its worth keeping an eye on when the time comes

I appreciate this is just probably something he likes his horse to wear in this particular race, but it can be a good guide as to which horse hes aiming at the race.

Interesting angle!








Grand Paradis has worn a tongue tie on his last 5 runs......





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[darlojim]

Interesting angle!








Grand Paradis has worn a tongue tie on his last 5 runs......





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The 16s went into 12s pretty sharpish today after I requested him into the 365 NRNB market.

12s still better than Skys pathetics 8s:cower: