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Fred Winter 2018

Act of valour is a confirmed runner here

Thanks for the update Scooby :encouragement: Will get his new mark on the 13th, next Tuesday...

What do you hope he'll get?
What do you think he'll get?
And what mark would you say he's got a chance on?
 
Thanks for the update Scooby :encouragement: Will get his new mark on the 13th, next Tuesday...

What do you hope he'll get?
What do you think he'll get?
And what mark would you say he's got a chance on?

Somewhere round 136 I'd be very happy with. Might be a bit optimistic.
Look my way is 135 and act of valour was running on soft then. He was genuinely sick the first time against we have a dream. And had a bit of time off before meeting him again on ground he wouldn't be relishing. He wouldn't be fully wound up for that.
 
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PLEASE NOTE


A juvenile horse shall ONLY be qualified to run in this race IF IT HAS RAN A MINIMUM OF 3 TIMES in hurdle races in Ireland, France or great Britain in accordance to rule F.

So the likes of Sao, as I thought was the case, wouldn't be given a mark and couldn't go straight here
 
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PLEASE NOTE


A juvenile horse shall ONLY be qualified to run in this race IF IT HAS RAN A MINIMUM OF 3 TIMES in hurdle races in Ireland, France or great Britain in accordance to rule F.

So the likes of Sao, as I thought was the case, wouldn't be given a mark and couldn't go straight here

Isn't he going to run in the Adonis though..... so obviously he won't be coming straight here and that'd be 3rd run?
 
Isn't he going to run in the Adonis though..... so obviously he won't be coming straight here and that'd be 3rd run?

Sao and birds of prey to the Adonis atm. But there was talk a few pages back of Nichols asking for a mark and going straight here. Wouldn't be possible.
The plan would obviously be for him to win the Adonis and go triumph. Dosent always work out as planned but.... its plan A
 
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Would be the case for eoline jolie only had the 1 run so won't get 2 more in. I see she's registered now. So might get a run shortly For the triumph Theres no novice status to protect.
 
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Pesk ebrel would be the most interesting mark I want to see. He should be right up there in the triumph but might get lucky with a mark for this, As there's no string of 1s next to his name but his form is as good as anything in the triumph, bar none
 
Have the rules changed then? He went straight to the Fred Winter with Diego Du Charmil as he couldn’t believe the handicap mark he’d been allocated. I thought they’d do the same with Sao but if there going to the Adonis then the Triumph sounds more likely?
 
Have the rules changed then? He went straight to the Fred Winter with Diego Du Charmil as he couldn’t believe the handicap mark he’d been allocated. I thought they’d do the same with Sao but if there going to the Adonis then the Triumph sounds more likely?



No change in rules.
Diego had 3 runs prior
 
Scoob you have a vast knowledge on these French recruits and working out there form, if you were spending my tenner.. who would you have it on?
 
Scoob you have a vast knowledge on these French recruits and working out there form, if you were spending my tenner.. who would you have it on?

Nrnb pesk ebrel ew bog.
 
He isn't quoted for this race.

50s Triumph ?

I thought we were in the triumph thread apologies. Would be a good one to add though.


Fred winter



If it was ellimays target as soon as her profile on racing post changes upon entry I think she'd go very short.

Ellimay
Pesk ebrel
And split stakes nrnb. Should be big prices due to lack of knowledge around those horses.
 
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Scooby with Collateral form over the last year...

Malaya beat whetstone and whestone has had Elimay well held in 3 races.

Would you say that Malaya is just rubbish over hurdles or Ellimay has improved from it?

I try to read into the french form but quite often see it blown out of the window. Style de garde as an example having beaten We Have a Dream yet form over here i would have WHAD well clear...
 
Scooby with Collateral form over the last year...

Malaya beat whetstone and whestone has had Elimay well held in 3 races.

Would you say that Malaya is just rubbish over hurdles or Ellimay has improved from it?

I try to read into the french form but quite often see it blown out of the window. Style de garde as an example having beaten We Have a Dream yet form over here i would have WHAD well clear...

Malaya completely stumps me. My guess is possibly like vision des flos. That She was extremely fit and very much trained with a sale in mind.

Elimay is progressive and has gone through the ranks since her run in the same race as stormy ireland.
One thing you may not know about stormy ireland she seemed ungenuine and a bit of a bridle merchant in France. Obviously Willie is a master and she's had plenty of time.
 
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Fair enough, could be well right there. Still think there are quite a few horses who will drop out of Triumph Entries and be redirected to this.

The likes of Pesk Ebrell with a run and into this off a reasonable mark. But for now as you say Willir is a Master but he would know who is better and i have a feeling he thinks Mr Adjdicator is slightly better. At least i do, he put the time up on the clock.

Could anyone explain the dramatic cut in price for Redicean... i get that he looked impressive but... did he beat much? 8's for triimph and 14's for this? :S

Im more of a form on the book that visually impressive on a TV screen ��
 
Fair enough, could be well right there. Still think there are quite a few horses who will drop out of Triumph Entries and be redirected to this.

The likes of Pesk Ebrell with a run and into this off a reasonable mark. But for now as you say Willir is a Master but he would know who is better and i have a feeling he thinks Mr Adjdicator is slightly better. At least i do, he put the time up on the clock.

Could anyone explain the dramatic cut in price for Redicean... i get that he looked impressive but... did he beat much? 8's for triimph and 14's for this? :S

Im more of a form on the book that visually impressive on a TV screen ��

Redicean has beat very little and thats Plain and simple to see in the form book. I must admit i havent watched any of his races thus far. Because I haven't considered the races themselves worth watching in context to the triumph.
 
Grand Sancy Scooby? Two runs to date for Nicholls? Thoughts


Needed some experience then Got stuffed in his bumper, but in hindsight he was beaten by Acey Milan. Hes not one id have on my mind for this tbh but hes gone an interesting route so far.
 
Needed some experience then Got stuffed in his bumper, but in hindsight he was beaten by Acey Milan. Hes not one id have on my mind for this tbh but hes gone an interesting route so far.

Nicholls seems to target this now? Any worries Sao has not run?