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FJ Day Four Festival Yankee - manager ryan97

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Defi Du Seuil is my pick for Gold Cup Day.............. unless Charli ends up here but i feel they will stick to the supreme for him. think best price is 5/2 so a bit of value for a win yankee
 
With better ground I can see Bapaume turning round the Spring Juvenile form with Mega Fortune. DDS there to be got at, I know he has an some engine but his jumping is just not good enough (so far) to win a Triumph! I will throw Bapaume a shout at 12/1 ew.
 
Ivanovich Gorbatov @20/1 for the County has gone right under the radar. I would keep an eye on this one.
 
just watched DDS last race back and yeah his jumping was sloppy and horrendous but my goodness he has some high cruising speed. hopefully 6 weeks of pure schooling will brush that up.
but on a positive loves Cheltenham 3 out of his last 3 at course. 111. so loves that hill
 
loveracing said:
Ivanovich Gorbatov @20/1 for the County has gone right under the radar. I would keep an eye on this one.
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Could not agree more LR, looks like a plot job, but he is way way shorter in the Coral market, might he go there? If he was guaranteed for this i would be doubling up with forum horse western ryder for a monster payout
 
Jonnymac05 said:
Could not agree more LR, looks like a plot job, but he is way way shorter in the Coral market, might he go there? If he was guaranteed for this i would be doubling up with forum horse western ryder for a monster payout
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All his form seems to be in larger fields and over 2m. Its hard to judge his 20f form if trying to plot. :mad:
 
Jonnymac05 said:
just watched DDS last race back and yeah his jumping was sloppy and horrendous but my goodness he has some high cruising speed. hopefully 6 weeks of pure schooling will brush that up.
but on a positive loves Cheltenham 3 out of his last 3 at course. 111. so loves that hill
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I assume you mean his Chepstow win ?
I thought his Cheltenham win on trials day was close to faultless
 
Istabraq said:
I assume you mean his Chepstow win ?
I thought his Cheltenham win on trials day was close to faultless
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100% agree.

I was dismissive after Chepstow and was super-impressed the next time.
 
Istabraq said:
That's the thing, if MTOY is confirmed for this his price will contract and he'll end up shorter than TNO, at the moment we know the Twisters horse goes for the CH, no guarantees have been given about Hendo's charge.
It'll all look different in 3 weeks...
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Hendo said in his Stan James column he noticed he was 40/1 with them and he looked overpriced.

I'd love to know if they have done something with his breathing since his last run. Even for him he has been finishing tamely this season.
 
ryanh97 said:
The gold cups such a tough one to call. If people make good enough arguments for 4 other races then I will be well inclined to leave it out and let us all enjoy
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Good shout.

finch said:
With better ground I can see Bapaume turning round the Spring Juvenile form with Mega Fortune. DDS there to be got at, I know he has an some engine but his jumping is just not good enough (so far) to win a Triumph! I will throw Bapaume a shout at 12/1 ew.
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And I will second that. I really like Bapaume, he's consistent, jumps well, and on better ground he actually has the better of Mega Fortune in the form book TWICE already.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Good shout.



And I will second that. I really like Bapaume, he's consistent, jumps well, and on better ground he actually has the better of Mega Fortune in the form book TWICE already.
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DDS is running on a Rolls Royce 6.0L V12...his jumping is much better than people give him credit for, he has Cheltenham form, nothing will be catching him up the hill. Is the absolute banker of the week that's a reasonable price as long as CP goes to the Supreme. Any other bet in the triumph you're playing for place money only IMO!
 
Lessey said:
DDS is running on a Rolls Royce 6.0L V12...his jumping is much better than people give him credit for, he has Cheltenham form, nothing will be catching him up the hill. Is the absolute banker of the week that's a reasonable price as long as CP goes to the Supreme. Any other bet in the triumph you're playing for place money only IMO!
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Ground ..all form on softish ?
 
Yeehaa said:
Ground ..all form on softish ?
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2 wins on soft, 1 win on good. The ground will surely be at fastest good to soft come the Friday won't it?
 
ryanh97 said:
2 wins on soft, 1 win on good. The ground will surely be at fastest good to soft come the Friday won't it?
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Having watched him run I don't think he's ground dependent at all so wouldn't be concerned. Showed he has a good range of gears at Chepstow when drawing away easily
 
Perhaps the biggest concern is nothing has had DDS off the bridle yet, so what he finds when he needs to is an unknown but I'm not sure what could take him off the bridle bar CP
 
Lessey said:
Perhaps the biggest concern is nothing has had DDS off the bridle yet, so what he finds when he needs to is an unknown but I'm not sure what could take him off the bridle bar CP
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I agree. I dont see much taking him off the bridle if anything
 
Lessey said:
Perhaps the biggest concern is nothing has had DDS off the bridle yet, so what he finds when he needs to is an unknown but I'm not sure what could take him off the bridle bar CP
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What makes you think CP is able to after one run?

Also, many won't back a horse like Carter McKay for the bumper because he's not had to battle for victory at the price he is, so at a similar price I don't see how DDS is an attractive bet, he may be the world beater he has looked beating average opposition, only time will tell, but not for me at that price.

Bapaume and Mega Fortune have raced in some tough races and on better ground Bapaume has come out on top twice, now the ground at Cheltenham come March may be soft if we have some rain leading up to the Friday, in which case it will be in DDS & Mega Fortunes favours, but if not I think the battle hardened and consistent Bapaume will be a lot closer than people seem to think.
 
CP is out this weekend, against Evening Hush. So we should know a heck of a lot more on a line through her on both CP and DDS's relative merits, targets and chances.

The way CP is being talked up, you'd want to see him win on the bridle, by an impressive distance.

CoD is right though, that until you've seen a horse do well when asked for pressure, or off the bridle, you'd need to have some caution. I saw Alan King saying the exact same thing about Yanworth and how he'd much prefer a horse to have been in a battle than not!


That said, I want CP to win on the bridle, and produce a monster performance in the Supreme, and I was DDS to be far too good for any of the Irish juv's.... but they are priced up on the dream, not the reality of their respective chances?
 
ComplyOrDie said:
What makes you think CP is able to after one run?

Also, many won't back a horse like Carter McKay for the bumper because he's not had to battle for victory at the price he is, so at a similar price I don't see how DDS is an attractive bet, he may be the world beater he has looked beating average opposition, only time will tell, but not for me at that price.

Bapaume and Mega Fortune have raced in some tough races and on better ground Bapaume has come out on top twice, now the ground at Cheltenham come March may be soft if we have some rain leading up to the Friday, in which case it will be in DDS & Mega Fortunes favours, but if not I think the battle hardened and consistent Bapaume will be a lot closer than people seem to think.
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Just watching CP on his debut CoD...he was such a natural it was men amongst boys stuff, which I am sure he'll confirm this weekend.

I agree you could argue Bap and MF are more battle hardened and have had some good matches, but neither ratings or visuals are near the level of DDS yet, however thought MF was much better with the cheek pieces and a more positive ride. A nice lead off for DDS round the home turn :devilish:
 
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