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Double up winners

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Well Gents I'm not quite on suicide watch but it's fair to say that once the festival is over I become overwhelmed with a massive sense of depression.
It's not quite 11 months of 5f handicaps of course but you get my point.

So I got thinking, every year throws up horses who double up the following year, 2016 saw Douvan, Vatour, Cause of Causes and On the Fringe, of this years 28 winners who do we think will win in 2017 ?

Obviously we have to second guess the Mullins army targets, any of this year winners could double up.
One thing I was told before last week was that Mall Dini woudl be a better horse over fences and that chasing was the plan for next year, given his progress this year he could be a serious horse next year and the RSA looks to be an obvious target.

Any thoughts ?
 
Champion Day, Tuesday, March 15
1.30pm G1 Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle - Altior (Patricia Pugh) Nicky Henderson 6-11-07 Nico de Boinville 4/1

Champion Hurdle - Real Chance

2.10pm G1 Racing Post Arkle Chase - Douvan (Susannah Ricci) Willie Mullins IRE 6-11-04 Ruby Walsh 1/4 Fav

Champion Chase - Possible but not wholly convinced

2.50pm G3 Ultima Handicap Chase - Un Temps Pour Tout (Professor Caroline Tisdall & Bryan Drew) David Pipe 7-11-07 Tom Scudamore 11/1

No

3.30pm G1 Stan James Champion Hurdle - Annie Power (Susannah Ricci) Willie Mullins IRE 8-11-03 Ruby Walsh 5/2 Fav

No Idea

4.10pm G1 OLBG Mares' Hurdle - Vroum Vroum Mag (Susannah Ricci) Willie Mullins IRE 7-11-05 Ruby Walsh 4/6 Fav

No - beaten over fences

4.50pm Listed National Hunt Chase - Minella Rocco (J P McManus) Jonjo O'Neill 6-11-06 Mr Derek O'Connor 8/1

National horse ?


5.30pm Listed Close Brothers Novices' Handicap Chase - Ballyalton (John Westwood) Ian Williams 9-11-10 Brian Hughes 12/1

Handicapper but possible

Ladies Day, Wednesday, March 16
1.30pm Neptune Investment Management Novices' Hurdle - Yorkhill (Andrea & Graham Wylie) Willie Mullins IRE 6-11-07 Ruby Walsh 3/1

Arkle winner

2.10pm RSA Chase - Blaklion (Sarah Such & Gino Paletta) Nigel Twiston-Davies 7-11-04 Ryan Hatch 8/1

No

2.50pm Coral Cup Handicap Hurdle - Diamond King (Diana Whateley) Gordon Elliott IRE 8-11-03 Davy Russell 12/1

No

3.30pm Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase - Sprinter Sacre (Caroline Mould) Nicky Henderson 11st 10lb Nico de Boinville 5/1

I think he just might - Moscow did it

4.10pmGlenfarclas Cross Country Chase - Any Currency (Cash Is King) Martin Keighley 13-11-04 Aidan Coleman 11/1

No

4.50pmFred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle - Diego Du Charmil (Mrs Johnny de la Hey) Paul Nicholls 4-11-01 Sam Twiston-Davies 13/2

No

5.30pm Weatherbys Champion Bumper - Ballyandy (Options O Syndicate) Nigel Twiston-Davies 5-11-05 Sam Twiston-Davies 5/1


Yes - Neptune

St Patrick's Thursday, Thursday, March 17

1.30pm JLT Novices' Chase - Black Hercules (Andrea & Graham Wylie) Willie Mullins IRE 7-11-04 Ruby Walsh 4/1 Co Fav

Ryanair contender

2.10pm Pertemps Network Final Handicap Hurdle - Mall Dini (Philip Reynolds) Pat Kelly IRE 6-10-11 Davy Russell 14/1

Noted

2.50pm Ryanair Chase - Vautour (Susannah Ricci) Willie Mullins IRE 7-11-10 Ruby Walsh Evens Fav

Gold Cup loser. IN QMCC would be contender

3.30pm Ryanair World Hurdle - Thistlecrack (John & Heather Snook) Colin Tizzard 8-11-10 Tom Scudamore Evens Fav

Gold Cup winner

4.10pm Brown Advisory & Merriebelle Stable Plate - Empire Of Dirt (Gigginstown House Stud) Colm Murphy IRE 9-10-11 Bryan Cooper 16/1

No

4.50pm Trull House Stud Mares' Novices' Hurdle - Limini (Susannah Ricci) Willie Mullins IRE 5-11-07 Ruby Walsh 8/11 Fav

Mares Winner

5.30pm Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir Handicap Chase - Cause Of Causes (J P McManus) Gordon Elliott IRE 8-11-09 Mr Jamie Codd 9/2

2017 National

Gold Cup Day, Friday, March 18

1.30pm JCB Triumph Hurdle - Ivanovich Gorbatov (J P McManus) Aidan O'Brien IRE 4-11-00 9/2 Fav

The new Istabraq - will win at festival again but maybe at 6

2.10pm Vincent O'Brien County Handicap Hurdle) Superb Story (A Holt, J Robinson, A Taylor & S Miller) Dan Skelton 5-10-12 Harry Skelton 8/1


No


2.50pm Albert Bartlett Novices' Hurdle - Unowhatimeanharry (Harry Fry Racing Club) Harry Fry 8-11-05 Noel Fehily 11/1


No - but the 4th might

3.30pm Timico Cheltenham Gold Cup - Don Cossack (Gigginstown House Stud) Gordon Elliott IRE 9-11-10 Bryan Cooper 9/4 Fav

Will be in the mix

4.10pm St James's Place Foxhunter Chase - On The Fringe (J P McManus) Enda Bolger IRE 11-12-00 Ms Nina Carberry 13/8 Fav

Yes

4.50pm Martin Pipe Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle - Ibis Du Rheu (John Hales) Paul Nicholls 5-11-07 Jack Sherwood 14/1

No

5.30pm Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Handicap Chase - Solar Impulse (Andrea & Graham Wylie) Paul Nicholls 6-11-00 Sam Twiston-Davies 28/1

No




probably too many double winners n there.:D
 
Cheer up Istabraq

Fairyhouse
Aintree
Ayr
Punchestown
Sandown

then its time for holidays
 
Morning Glory said:
Cheer up Istabraq

Fairyhouse
Aintree
Ayr
Punchestown
Sandown

then its time for holidays
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yep true, there's a decent Newbury card coming up too and Perth not far away.
I always do Sandown for Whitbread Day, great day out.
Then of course there's the Summer meets at the Rasen and Stratford with occasional clues to the Triumph.....
 
I might do Fairyhouse next Monday but struggling for motivation.

I'll hopefully make Aintree but think that will be it.

Whitbread day is a cracker but not around.

Perth, Ayr and the Rasen are on my bucket list.
 
I actually love the next six weeks of racing but was still struggling yesterday.

Need to get to the gym.

Id say 4 is par for returning winners.

Yorkhill
Douvan
Thistlecrack
Ivanovich Gorbatov

are my guesses.
 
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I'd say Altior and Yorkhill have big chances of being 2017 winners. Douvan and Thistlecrack would be my picks of the older brigade.

Nothing too original from me......
 
I can see a fourth win on the bounce for Vautour, and I think it will be the Champion chase
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
I can see a fourth win on the bounce for Vautour, and I think it will be the Champion chase
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Will you be on ante-post ?

I'm surprised there's so little love for Altior, I made that a proper performance and once that puts him bang up there for the champion hurdle next year in my book, of those we saw last week he looks the most likely winner to me, of course the absent Mullins horses could still be a force next year.

I get the Ivanovic Gorbatov hype, could be a very good horse, but he looked to need every yard of that Triumph trip to me and I think will be better (as most Triumph horses are) over further as they get older.
Can he win a World hurdle at 5, never been done in the modern festival era, otherwise he could be thrown into a Champion Hurdle he's unlikely to have sufficient speed to win.
 
Istabraq said:
Will you be on ante-post ?

I'm surprised there's so little love for Altior, I made that a proper performance and once that puts him bang up there for the champion hurdle next year in my book, of those we saw last week he looks the most likely winner to me, of course the absent Mullins horses could still be a force next year.

I get the Ivanovic Gorbatov hype, could be a very good horse, but he looked to need every yard of that Triumph trip to me and I think will be better (as most Triumph horses are) over further as they get older.
Can he win a World hurdle at 5, never been done in the modern festival era, otherwise he could be thrown into a Champion Hurdle he's unlikely to have sufficient speed to win.
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I will back Vautour ante post definitely, he has made the last 2 festivals for me, along with Faugheen last year, so he owes me nothing, I backed him for the QM this year, it took a couple of seasons for them to get Annie in the right race I' m hoping they will have learned from that. I'll also be building a decent posi on Djakadam, fast forward to next season and a snagless prep for him, instead of a fall followed by a couple of dozen stitches then injections to stave off infection leaving him too drained to do his normal work for 2 weeks, then a little more juice in the ground on the Friday and you could be looking at a proven horse with a huge chance, with a generous ew voucher
 
If I learned anything Mr Mcg from this year is dont back any Mullins horses ante post...it will end in tears:sorrow:
 
Well said Iain - a week beforehand it was still impossible to know where a lot of his runners were going. However, once they are there they take some beating.
 
You have convinced me.

Thinking about chances Mullins winners ran in the races they did. Id say -

Douvan - 75% Predictable Arkle was target this time last year
Annie Power - 10% Chance
VVM - 33% Chance
Yorkhill - 40% Chance
Black H - 10% Chance
Vautour - 50% Chance
Limini - 80% Chance ( if he knew about her at all)

You would need 3/4 times the on the day price for that risk ?
 
Only thing I'd say about VVM is that I heard from a very reliable source on the Thursday to smash into Limini, Ruby said that she was a better mare than VVM running in a worse race and that the evens was a gift from the gods.
Given Limini is 2 years younger I'd expect her to step up to the Mares which means VVM will be re-routed elsewhere, she has jumped fences so perhaps she will be the Ricci's Ryanair horse ?
 
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