Cheltz Fest 2021 Behind Closed Doors ?

[Deleted member 4957]

Just spoke to my mum.:love_heart:

The Oxford Vaccine can be stored in a fridge so could be much easier to administer, even in schools and chemists.
Just need to get that on on the shelf ASAP.
That would have a lot more chance of getting numbers up, although I'd still be surprised if they get many millions dosed up by Springtime.

There is already a scheme being discussed where anyone intending on entering a sports arena must provide a negative test result in the preceding 24 hours, that along with temp checks at turnstiles should allow for greater numbers until the mass vaccination can be rolled out...

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55048438

I'd like to see this idea extended to events where attendance restricted. No certificate, no entry.

Absolutely Archie.

Most of the people I speak to say they aren't having the vaccine and it feels like I'm in the minority by saying I'd have it.

My response to them - I don't think you should be allowed to travel abroad, visit mass gatherings (football, racecourse etc) or even go into a pub without proof of vaccine. I'd even put them to the back of the queue for NHS treatment. It's the starter for a good debate:highly_amused:

 

[charlie]

Absolutely Archie.

Most of the people I speak to say they aren't having the vaccine and it feels like I'm in the minority by saying I'd have it.

My response to them - I don't think you should be allowed to travel abroad, visit mass gatherings (football, racecourse etc) or even go into a pub without proof of vaccine. I'd even put them to the back of the queue for NHS treatment. It's the starter for a good debate:highly_amused:

Or a fast track back to Germany circa 1945 :witless:

I do like the debate on this though. My idea (in the pub) was the police should use the facial recognition software they use at the football to identify Covidiots at rallies, mass gatherings, and those flouting the rules - to then deny those people treatment in their time of need. I was shot down and told things like that will never happen as we live in a 'civilised society' :highly_amused:

 

[Outlaw]

Absolutely Archie.

Most of the people I speak to say they aren't having the vaccine and it feels like I'm in the minority by saying I'd have it.

My response to them - I don't think you should be allowed to travel abroad, visit mass gatherings (football, racecourse etc) or even go into a pub without proof of vaccine. I'd even put them to the back of the queue for NHS treatment. It's the starter for a good debate:highly_amused:

I'd actually go one further and say while it's an individuals choice, if you choose to not have it & did require hospital treatment, I would charge for the costs incurred. May sound incredibly harsh but if you refuse to try to eridicate the problem you should the face the costs just like those flaunting the rules now.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

I'd actually go one further and say while it's an individuals choice, if you choose to not have it & did require hospital treatment, I would charge for the costs incurred. May sound incredibly harsh but if you refuse to try to eridicate the problem you should the face the costs just like those flaunting the rules now.

It winds me up so much.

Putting a travel ban on those that don't want a vaccine would be so easy to police - I hope this is done.

 

[Jorvik]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55048438

I'd like to see this idea extended to events where attendance restricted. No certificate, no entry.

Luckily we don't live in North Korea and our gov have already said this wont be the way forward.

 

[ryanh97]

I'm completely pro-vaccine and I'm not the greatest fan of the anti-vax brigade. But there are people out there with genuine concerns, to strip away civil liberties because of not having a vaccine, I find absurd, if not dangerous.

Let alone the fact that people under the age of 50 (especially people around my age - 23) will be at the bottom of the pile and not getting vaccines for a long while, are we just going to not let any of them into sports venues because they haven't been vaccinated? Let's just go the whole hog, call an election and only let the old vaccinated people vote.

 

[Jorvik]

I'd actually go one further and say while it's an individuals choice, if you choose to not have it & did require hospital treatment, I would charge for the costs incurred. May sound incredibly harsh but if you refuse to try to eridicate the problem you should the face the costs just like those flaunting the rules now.

How many family members of people on here, maybe even the posters themselves, have needed hospital treatment because of what are ultimately lifestyle choices? How many will at some point because they're overweight, smoke, drank too much. What about people who take part in sports knowing there's a risk they'll get injured, which is just about every sport, should we apply your logic to them too? Some people are coming out with some amount of sh1te off the back of all this. No vaccinations are mandatory in this country, 1000's die every year of flu, most at risk get offered the jab, the rest of us can pay for it if we want to, but the vast majority of us don't even thought plenty will get flu and many may pass it on. So many people seem to have spent most of 2020 daydreaming about wearing an SS uniform.

Edit: Just to add as plenty seem to be struggling with it, we aren't going to eradicate Covid, same as you don't eradicate flu. It will always be here, life will have to go on. This was also the message from Chris Whitty and co last night too, not just my internet warrior ramblings.

 

[ryanh97]

How many family members of people on here, maybe even the posters themselves, have needed hospital treatment because of what are ultimately lifestyle choices? How many will at some point because they're overweight, smoke, drank too much. What about people who take part in sports knowing there's a risk they'll get injured, which is just about every sport, should we apply your logic to them too? Some people are coming out with some amount of sh1te off the back of all this. No vaccinations are mandatory in this country, 1000's die every year of flu, most at risk get offered the jab, the rest of us can pay for it if we want to, but the vast majority of us don't even thought plenty will get flu and many may pass it on. So many people seem to have spent most of 2020 daydreaming about wearing an SS uniform.

Couldn't agree more SS. Let's just start charging smokers for treatment if they get lung cancer. If you fall down the stairs at the pub on a Friday night and crack your head open, either cough up the funds or bleed out on the dance floor. Bordering on insanity.

 

[Jorvik]

It winds me up so much.

Putting a travel ban on those that don't want a vaccine would be so easy to police - I hope this is done.

PHE say the 5 year average for influenza deaths is 17000. At risk people get a letter to go for a jab each year, I know because I used to have asthma so I still get one, but it isn't mandatory. I'm fairly certain that most years supermarkets like ASDA buy a load too and sell them for about ?15, all told it's a fairly straightforward jab to get if you want to, but the majority choose not to. Should we have a travel ban and what not for the 10s of millions who don't have the influenza vaccination?

 

[Outlaw]

How many family members of people on here, maybe even the posters themselves, have needed hospital treatment because of what are ultimately lifestyle choices? How many will at some point because they're overweight, smoke, drank too much. What about people who take part in sports knowing there's a risk they'll get injured, which is just about every sport, should we apply your logic to them too? Some people are coming out with some amount of sh1te off the back of all this. No vaccinations are mandatory in this country, 1000's die every year of flu, most at risk get offered the jab, the rest of us can pay for it if we want to, but the vast majority of us don't even thought plenty will get flu and many may pass it on. So many people seem to have spent most of 2020 daydreaming about wearing an SS uniform.

Edit: Just to add as plenty seem to be struggling with it, we aren't going to eradicate Covid, same as you don't eradicate flu. It will always be here, life will have to go on. This was also the message from Chris Whitty and co last night too, not just my internet warrior ramblings.

Plenty of course but I dare say if the governments had the foresight of the costs smoking would incur through the NHS it would of been priced far higher earlier to combat that!

This has been thrust upon us, I personally see no valid reason why someone wouldn't want to resume normal life as quickly as possible and the vaccine will be a quicker path than the heard mentality many keep peddling out.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55048438

I'd like to see this idea extended to events where attendance restricted. No certificate, no entry.

Im absolutely staggered that anyone thinks this is acceptable, let alone a good idea.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Luckily we don't live in North Korea and our gov have already said this wont be the way forward.

Why wouldn't you want avaccine.?

Let's just scrap the vaccine and all live in lockdown for the rest of time. That'll be fun:highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused:

 

[Can't Catch Me]

PHE say the 5 year average for influenza deaths is 17000. At risk people get a letter to go for a jab each year, I know because I used to have asthma so I still get one, but it isn't mandatory. I'm fairly certain that most years supermarkets like ASDA buy a load too and sell them for about ?15, all told it's a fairly straightforward jab to get if you want to, but the majority choose not to. Should we have a travel ban and what not for the 10s of millions who don't have the influenza vaccination?

Exactly Jorvik. Where do you stop?

 

[Jorvik]

Why wouldn't you want avaccine.?

Let's just scrap the vaccine and all live in lockdown for the rest of time. That'll be fun:highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused:

Why did you ignore my response to your own post? Because it tears your logic to shreds?!

"Why wouldn't you want a vaccine?" - Well that's up to the individual isn't it, same as it always has been, we can all only answer for ourselves. I think i'll probably get one because i've got most that were made available for whatever reason throughout my life, but then maybe I wont because I don't see the virus as being a risk to the demographic I belong to and i'd need to see more evidence that it was safe. On balance I weigh up the situation as taking something that comes with a risk to prevent something I don't feel is significant risk to me. The statistics on age breakdowns are there for all to read. Same as I make the choice not to get the influenza vaccination despite, as already mentioned, it claiming 17000 lives on average each year in this country alone. That's a choice most others also make, it's something society has accepted. It should always be a choice for all manner of reasons.
Lockdown is a political decision, one which has changed at numerous points and has come with all manner of laughable and infuriating inconsistencies. A decision which is argued against by many who know much more about these things than either of us. It's been a long old year but many seem to have forgotten that for months we walked around without face masks, there was no surge in cases. Suddenly they're a thing overnight and anyone not wearing one is viewed as dangerous. I'm genuinely quite shocked to be honest how much this year has shown up just how much of society enjoys being dictated to and living in fear, without stepping back and thinking for themselves. It was fair enough in March when it was the great unknown and we all did it because we thought it was right, but since...
Being forced to have a vaccine to exit that situation is not the sort of society I wish to live in. Civil liberties don't have a habit of coming back once you've given them away.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

I think the strongest argument against enforcing the vaccine, is there is no proof it prevents you from being contagious. So it should be an individual decision as the only person it benefits is yourself.

I've had Coronavirus and had exceptionally mild symptoms. Why would I take a vaccine for something that isn't going to make me ill? To not allow me to do certain things because of that choice is borderline insane.

If there was unequivocal proof that me having the vaccine would stop me transmitting it, then I'd gladly take it. But currently that isn't the case. Its not a panacea.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Why did you ignore my response to your own post? Because it tears your logic to shreds?!

It tears it to shreds? Comparing flu to Covid is almost laughable.

 

[charlie]

I think the strongest argument against enforcing the vaccine, is there is no proof it prevents you from being contagious. So it should be an individual decision as the only person it benefits is yourself.

I've had Coronavirus and had exceptionally mild symptoms. Why would I take a vaccine for something that isn't going to make me ill? To not allow me to do certain things because of that choice is borderline insane.

If there was unequivocal proof that me having the vaccine would stop me transmitting it, then I'd gladly take it. But currently that isn't the case. Its not a panacea.

The strongest argument against a state enforced vaccine is the decimation of our basic civil liberties, not how effective or safe it is (obviously they are very important too)

 

[Can't Catch Me]

The strongest argument against a state enforced vaccine is the decimation of our basic civil liberties, not how effective or safe it is (obviously they are very important too)

Yeah that too Charlie. I was taking that as read tbh!

But I could understand why people would be pro everyone taking it, if it stopped you giving it to other people.

 

[archie]

I'm getting a bit tired of the attitude of many young people who, because they're less likely to have serious problems, opt to do anything that they please and then suggest that senior citizens should be locked down for their own protection. If you're vaccinated and unlikely to get covid, you're unlikely to spread it. If you have other proof that you're unlikely to spread it then that should get you in as well. Like facemasks, this is about responsibility towards fellow human beings. If you're looking for a way round the restrictions, that is just wrong.